The Politics Thread 2019

[GboroRam]

4 hours ago, TobyWanKenobi said:

What you have done is apply conditions to the proposal that weren't there.

What he's done is abandon net neutrality, which the USA have done without it being state run. You can't say private ownership guarantees net neutrality, and you can't say state run means the opposite. 

[ariotofmyown]

5 hours ago, Uptherams said:

The NHS isn't underfunded. We have an ever increasing burden from a proportion of the population that should be leading much healthier lives. Funding should go towards tackling causes rather than treatment. 

Yeah, like get Johnson to roll back sugar tax as his advisors work for junk food manufacturing.

[King Kevin]

Saw this tweet about teaching your kids what happens when there’s a Labour government:
Get them to clean the bathroom and pay them £10.
Then take £7 off them and give it to the lazy kids lying in bed next door.

[Norman]

31 minutes ago, King Kevin said:

Saw this tweet about teaching your kids what happens when there’s a Labour government:
Get them to clean the bathroom and pay them £10.
Then take £7 off them and give it to the lazy kids lying in bed next door.

Who then spends it on Fortnite V bucks and Fifa points. 

[G STAR RAM]

On 15/11/2019 at 16:08, Norman said:

Think it's more:

Conservative: let's go down the pub for a meal and a few pints, love. 

Labour: still out at 2am spending in the local strip club tapping the Bank card on the machine with little care. 

Greens: walk down to the pub, no vegan option, walk home in the rain caused by global warming. 

Lib Dems: wait until 5pm before cancelling the whole thing. 

Surely Labour would order their meal and then tell the waiter they didnt want it when it came out? 

[Van der MoodHoover]

1 hour ago, King Kevin said:

Saw this tweet about teaching your kids what happens when there’s a Labour government:
Get them to clean the bathroom and pay them £10.
Then take £7 off them and give it to the lazy kids lying in bed next door.

So for balance I assume that you have also read the equivalent of what happens when there's a conservative government?

Get the kids to clean the bathroom but they can't as they're in their 60s and are still at home as they can't afford the rent on a 1 bed owned by the Duke of Wherever. 

Nay mind. The bathroom can be cleaned for 50p by a member of the Bangladeshi serf class under Priti Patel's points based "vital occupation " immigration system. 

And now as you've improved the property your own private landlord the Duke of Wotsit can justify sticking your rent up a tenner a month....

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[Uptherams]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

Yeah, like get Johnson to roll back sugar tax as his advisors work for junk food manufacturing.

Why should we introduce a tax on sugar? 

[uttoxram75]

22 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

Why should we introduce a tax on sugar? 

I agree.

Would you be in favour of better education about the dangers of refined sugar to encourage a healthier lifestyle?

[Uptherams]

8 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

I agree.

Would you be in favour of better education about the dangers of refined sugar to encourage a healthier lifestyle?

Better education and funding for nutrition,  mental health and well being, sports, exercise and calorie surpluses/deficits.

Sugar isn't the problem. Fat isn't the problem. 

[uttoxram75]

5 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

Better education and funding for nutrition,  mental health and well being, sports, exercise and calorie surpluses/deficits.

Sugar isn't the problem. Fat isn't the problem. 

Funding for nutrition nearly answers the question?
 

Early education about hidden sugars in food and drink combined with a nationwide drive to convince people to prepare their own nutritious meals would ease the strain on the NHS hugely in the long run. 

[Uptherams]

6 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

Funding for nutrition nearly answers the question?
 

Early education about hidden sugars in food and drink combined with a nationwide drive to convince people to prepare their own nutritious meals would ease the strain on the NHS hugely in the long run. 

Sugar isn't the problem. It's calorie surpluses and lack of exercise. 

[uttoxram75]

8 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

Sugar isn't the problem. It's calorie surpluses and lack of exercise. 

Agree about calorie surplus and lack of exercise. Good nutrition education would considerably reduce our sugar consumption so were pretty much on the same page.

[jono]

On 15/11/2019 at 18:35, Curtains said:

I think you will find waiting lists could be directly proportional to population increases. 
 

4.The UK’s population continues to grow, but at a slower rate than previously 

The UK population has grown year-on-year since 1982 as seen in Figure 1. The 2018 mid-year population estimates release showed that the population of the UK reached 66.4 million, up from 66.0 million in mid-2017. This population growth marks an increase of 0.6%, or an addition of 395,000 people, between mid-2017 and mid-2018 – the same rate of population growth as in the previous year. Growth in the years to mid-2017 and mid-2018 were slower than in any year since mid-2004. 

Despite the recent slowdown in population growth rates, the UK population is set to increase further still. The 2016-based national population projections showed that the projected population surpasses 70.1 million by mid-2029 and reaches 72.9 million by mid-2041 – increases of 5.5% and 9.7%, respectively, from mid-2018.

That’s the population the ONS says we have and might have in the future. But it is a huge fraud. 
when I was at school 60/70’s depending on what edition of the geography book you had, our population was somewhere between 53 million and 58 million. Well if it’s 66 million now (40 years on when world population has nearly tripled ) we’d all be laughing and the roads would run freely, hospitals would have no queues. .. The census figures are not what they were and not accurate. People don’t fill in the forms, people move, people avoid. Right now the real population I suspect is circa 75/80 million. ... walk down the street, go on holiday, go to a “venue” go to a railway station, drive on a road. The evidence is all around us. 

[TimRam]

3 hours ago, King Kevin said:

Saw this tweet about teaching your kids what happens when there’s a Labour government:
Get them to clean the bathroom and pay them £10.
Then take £7 off them and give it to the lazy kids lying in bed next door.

Lying in bed using their free "broadband". Must get my 56k modem out of the loft ready. Are these goons making it up as a joke?

[uttoxram75]

Us Labour lads are getting some real hatred atm from many sources yet when you sit and talk face to face with people its interesting how many tend to lean toward socialist policies but still want to vote Tory/Brexit/Lib Dem because 'Labour will ruin the country".

I've worked in the private sector all my life (I'm 59), and I truly believe that a strong public sector raises the bar for the private sector when it comes to holidays, pay, working conditions etc. 

Take away the public sector and it becomes a race to the bottom.

My ideal world would be all the vital industries that people need, Police, Military, Fire, Water, Power utilities, Transport, Education and Health should be run by the government on behalf of the citizens of our country. Not for profit, but to benefit the people who live in the UK.

Red line protection no matter who was the elected party.

Let the private sector make their money from selling their wares rather than dictating government policy.

 

Politics is dead easy after a few drinks on a satdee night.

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[Angry Ram]

7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Us Labour lads are getting some real hatred atm from many sources yet when you sit and talk face to face with people its interesting how many tend to lean toward socialist policies but still want to vote Tory/Brexit/Lib Dem because 'Labour will ruin the country".

 

 

 

 

As someone from the opposite politically. Us Tory boys also face real hatred at the moment. I’ve been labelled just about everything from many sources.. Racist / Facist. I find it is sometimes the easiest route to pretend to be a socialist and a Remainer, especially in new company and where I can’t be arsed to get involved. That maybe just a London thing..

[i-Ram]

As someone who prefers a bit of centre ground, l am being pigeonholed a Liberal. Can you imagine the shame.

[FindernRam]

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

My ideal world would be all the vital industries that people need, Police, Military, Fire, Water, Power utilities, Transport, Education and Health should be run by the government

You were still very young back in the day when our nationally run industries were a total shambles and irresponsible Unions brought us to the brink of ruin. Our new EEC "friends" were laughing at us and called us the sick man of Europe.

[Norman]

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Us Labour lads are getting some real hatred atm

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Have you voted Labour all your life? 

I will be voting Conservative this election. But I'm not a Tory lad.

[Sith Happens]

14 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Funding for nutrition nearly answers the question?
 

Early education about hidden sugars in food and drink combined with a nationwide drive to convince people to prepare their own nutritious meals would ease the strain on the NHS hugely in the long run. 

 

14 hours ago, Uptherams said:

Sugar isn't the problem. It's calorie surpluses and lack of exercise. 

That early education should start at home and costs nothing.

I agree it would remove a massive strain on the NHS if people took more responsibility, stopped being so lazy and took more exercise, but there are too many people who think responsibility always lies somewhere else, people who eat, smoke, drink too much, people who litter and so on. Its not about teaching them about nutritional meals its about teaching them about being responsible, and that should be free too and start at home,

So called sugary drink, junk food etc are not a problem, anything in moderation is ok, its the irresponsible parents who shovel it down kids throats to keep them quiet that are the issue.