The Politics Thread 2019

[GboroRam]

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Hence why I said politicians and not presidents/prime ministers.

Surprised there isn't a campaign to get that election overturned too and have another peoples vote.

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

Which US President said we should get Corbyn into power? Or Cameron? Or Miliband? Or Ashdown? Or anyone else running for position?

45 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Hilary Clinton?

[Norman]

2 hours ago, GboroRam said:

I don't know enough about the 4 day week. I don't think it'll happen any time soon anyway.

You must acknowledge that the Blair days were definitely on a different track to the current Labour Party? Yes there's still some odious turds in the party but they are slowly leaving and being replaced with people with a better affinity to the members. Which can only be a good thing surely?

Open border policy? I thought we'd already got that. Isn't that why Brexit is so popular? Anyway, I don't have such an issue with immigration than some people seem to have. Remember our immigrant population are net contributors. If you're worrying about pressure to the NHS, start with the lazy natives. Actually, start by funding it adequately.

Break up of the United Kingdom? I thought that was a price worth paying for Brexit? Strange that it's so objectionable when it's offered as a choice by a Labour government, but it's not objectionable when it's an inevitable consequence of a Tory hard Brexit?

So you'll dismiss the point on a 4 day week as you know little about it and don't think it will happen.

Something you deride Leave voters for doing. Maybe you shouldn't have a vote. You don't know what you're voting for. 

You believe there is more affinity with members now. Even though the same old faces lurk in the background. Ok. 

Brexit hasn't caused the breakup though, has it?  Strange that you are so objectionable to Brexit but fine with it being an option under a Labour government. 

Net contributors they may be, but adding in slightly what more than you take out of a system does not build you large infrastructure at an ongoing fast rate. 

Strange that you think adding 300,000 people a year who contribute, on average, positively, pays for brand new multi-million pound hospitals etc. And that's just the NHS. Nevermind the roads, multi-million pound prisons etc. 

Anything to say on the rise in the minimum wage and employing nurses? Apart from pay them more? 

[Wolfie]

43 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said:

Free broadband for all - a no brainer. 

 

Except that it's not free is it?!.

The price tag of £20bn (according to Labour) to £40bn (according to BT) will just have to be paid for by us as taxpayers rather than as consumers.

Typical Labour illiterate "something for free" policy. It all has to be paid for by someone either us, now, or our kids & grandkids.

[Wolfie]

21 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I missed the election where she was made President. When was that?

She did win 2.8million more votes than Trump in that election.

[GboroRam]

15 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said:

She did win 2.8million more votes than Trump in that election.

Unfortunately the insane Cheeto was made president after that election, so she's just a fairly unpleasant member of the public with an opinion. A bit like me and G Star.

[G STAR RAM]

21 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

Which US President said we should get Corbyn into power? Or Cameron? Or Miliband? Or Ashdown? Or anyone else running for position?

45 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Hilary Clinton?

Yeah fair play, completely invalidates my point about it being ok for some foreign politicians to discuss British politics but not others, you win again.

[GboroRam]

18 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said:

Except that it's not free is it?!.

The price tag of £20bn (according to Labour) to £40bn (according to BT) will just have to be paid for by us as taxpayers rather than as consumers.

Typical Labour illiterate "something for free" policy. It all has to be paid for by someone either us, now, or our kids & grandkids.

Honestly I think that's an own goal, there's far more important things that should be being talked about instead of free broadband. I get it - we're talking 10 years time, so it's not a promise that will be easy to deliver - and it's talking about the infrastructure of the country, and would open up loads of opportunities for growth. But with poverty and crumbling schools and hospitals, I think Labour has missed an open goal. 

What would you say if Labour announced it was planning to scrap HS2 and instead provide free broadband for all? HS2 is estimated at £56bn, and projected to go up by maybe £30m. Does it sound like a crazy suggestion in that context?

[GboroRam]

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yeah fair play, completely invalidates my point about it being ok for some foreign politicians to discuss British politics but not others, you win again.

There's a difference between Clinton and Trump. One has power, the other has no power. Who should we fear most?

I'm not favouring involvement from any politicians. But when people in office start interfering in other countries' elections, I worry.

[Norman]

3 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

There's a difference between Clinton and Trump. One has power, the other has no power. Who should we fear most?

I would say most people fear the Clintons. They are very powerful people. 

Quite the trail of destruction as well. 

[Wolfie]

18 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Honestly I think that's an own goal, there's far more important things that should be being talked about instead of free broadband. I get it - we're talking 10 years time, so it's not a promise that will be easy to deliver - and it's talking about the infrastructure of the country, and would open up loads of opportunities for growth. But with poverty and crumbling schools and hospitals, I think Labour has missed an open goal. 

What would you say if Labour announced it was planning to scrap HS2 and instead provide free broadband for all? HS2 is estimated at £56bn, and projected to go up by maybe £30m. Does it sound like a crazy suggestion in that context?

I think HS2 is a massive vanity project and that it should be scrapped. Spending a fraction of the cost on better regional connections between cities and cross-country would IMO be a far better investment than just trying to get everyone to London a bit quicker.

I'd invest the rest in long term low carbon energy (tidal/nuclear) instead of importing EU and Russian gas & getting the French & Chinese to build our power stations.

How come BT has never appeared on the Labour list of potential nationalisation targets until last night?. It just feels like an ill thought out and somewhat desperate bribe.

[Angry Ram]

26 minutes ago, Norman said:

I would say most people fear the Clintons. They are very powerful people. 

Quite the trail of destruction as well. 

Possibly the most corrupt family in the US.. Allegedly. Certainly very dysfunctional and more than a few very big question marks.  

[GboroRam]

10 minutes ago, Angry Ram said:

Possibly the most corrupt family in the US.. Allegedly. Certainly very dysfunctional and more than a few very big question marks.  

Possibly the most maligned family in the US. Not my cup of tea, but with all the "her emails" and "Benghazi" and "Pizza shop basement" poop being flung, it masks the true stuff. Hang her for the real stuff, but the other stuff is just far right insanity coming to the forefront.

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, Van Wolfie said:

Except that it's not free is it?!.

The price tag of £20bn (according to Labour) to £40bn (according to BT) will just have to be paid for by us as taxpayers rather than as consumers.

Typical Labour illiterate "something for free" policy. It all has to be paid for by someone either us, now, or our kids & grandkids.

You obviously didn't read the rest of the article then

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The party would nationalise part of BT to deliver the policy and introduce a tax on tech giants to help pay for it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

Kind of feels like you make your mind up based on the fact "labour promised it - must be bad"

It does seem a very British way - what's that? It will improve the lives of millions? No no -far too expensive...

I think they are to be applauded for their ambition TBQHWY

[Curtains]

1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said:

You obviously didn't read the rest of the article then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

Kind of feels like you make your mind up based on the fact "labour promised it - must be bad"

It does seem a very British way - what's that? It will improve the lives of millions? No no -far too expensive...

I think they are to be applauded for their ambition TBQHWY

I think it’s a load of crap 

[GboroRam]

6 minutes ago, Curtains said:

I think it’s a load of crap 

Thanks for sharing.

[Curtains]

1 minute ago, GboroRam said:

Thanks for sharing.

Buy a company and then give it all away for free. 

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. 

Check out the Australian system and Korea is mostly privatised anyway. 

 

[Bubbles]

cannot be bothered with listening to Mr Money Grows On Trees Corbyn. He promises so much and in reality will provide little.

All this faff about free uni and free broadband etc why can't we use the money on something alot more important?

How about putting the money towards making this country greener?

How about putting the money towards fighting knife crime, weapons etc.

 

[Norman]

2 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Buy a company and then give it all away for free. 

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. 

Check out the Australian system and Korea is mostly privatised anyway. 

 

You'd have to wonder what a state led technology service's drive and ambition would be to keep up with new investment and development in the area. 

Also, a state run Internet service. What could that possibly lead to in a few years time. Censorship? Control of information? 

No thank you. 

[Angry Ram]

27 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Possibly the most maligned family in the US. Not my cup of tea, but with all the "her emails" and "Benghazi" and "Pizza shop basement" poop being flung, it masks the true stuff. Hang her for the real stuff, but the other stuff is just far right insanity coming to the forefront.

I think she has been hung for the real stuff. Benghazi alone was enough.

[Wolfie]

7 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said:

You obviously didn't read the rest of the article then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

Kind of feels like you make your mind up based on the fact "labour promised it - must be bad"

It does seem a very British way - what's that? It will improve the lives of millions? No no -far too expensive...

I think they are to be applauded for their ambition TBQHWY

I did read it and this bit...

A new entity, British Broadband, would run the network, with maintenance - estimated to cost £230m a year - to be covered by the new tax on companies such as Apple and Google

...suggests that it will be the maintenance that's paid for by the new tax, not the £20-40bn capital & set up cost.

All parties are falling over themselves to spend money this time round. It's just that out of the mainstream parties, Labour are going all Spinal Tap on us....

.....and it's our kids who will have to pick up the bill.

As somebody once said 'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'