SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 hours ago, DerbyPride said: @SuperDerbySuperRams do you have any more info on any of the ins/outs regarding fees, loan fees and whether the loans are with view to a permanent? Apart from Bryson's loan apparently being made permanent in January and the rumoured £300k-£2m Kieftenbeld fee, I've not seen anything else reported. Not sure sorry. But on the face of it I doubt we have an option to buy, so last minute that it would of been tough to add something like that on in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: The more I think about this deal the more I have no idea how we pulled it off. On paper it looks like Wed have the better deal. Winnall signed for them in Jan for 500k. His value has not gone up since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyD Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: On paper it looks like Wed have the better deal. Winnall signed for them in Jan for 500k. His value has not gone up since then. Football isn't played on paper though It sounds like a great deal to me Get a good player in with something to prove and a good reputation Move another one on who was incapable of competing at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 42 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Not sure sorry. But on the face of it I doubt we have an option to buy, so last minute that it would of been tough to add something like that on in time Would you expect that to be the same with Bryson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 In my opinion both clubs are doing each other a favour. Both want shot of a player who is worth more than their current value but not getting the chance to prove their worth. Butterfiekd could go to Wednesday and replicate what he did at Hudds (many a fan claimed he was the best player to play for them), Winall comes to us and scores goals. We either agree to swap at the end or both get a sellable asset. In an ideal world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 5 hours ago, WB2269 said: Another perspective on Winnall as someone who watched him for Burton during a loan spell there when he was a youngster. It is difficult to 'pigeon hole' Sam as a particular type of striker. He isn't a target man by any means, he isn't a pace merchant playing on the shoulder of the last defender either. What he is though is a smart, quick thinking striker who has that handy habit of being in the right place at the right time to finish a goalscoring chance off when it arrives inside the penalty area. He also has a feisty, competitive streak about him which I think has served him well at Scunny and Barnsley. When at Burton he didn't always catch the eye during games but he came alive in and around the box to take chances. Gary would have been coaching him (as assistant to Pesch) when Sam was at Burton so will know all about what he can do. It could turn out to be a very shrewd move for him and Derby if he gets the chance to get regular games. Sounds like a younger version of Nugent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: Sounds like a younger version of Nugent. My thoughts too, at least the Nugent I've seen under Rowett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, BobbyD said: Football isn't played on paper though It sounds like a great deal to me Get a good player in with something to prove and a good reputation Move another one on who was incapable of competing at this level Not surprised Butterfield was allowed to move on but to say he is incapable of competing at this level is completely wrong. Played in the right role (which he rarely was at Derby) then he is one of the best midfielders in the Championship but obviously doesn't fit in with how Rowett wants go play. Butterfield would suit a club such as Fulham or Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 On a positive note, this is an interesting stat. Certainly consistent. In some good company there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Having watched his YouTube montage, to me he looks like the ultimate nightmare for any opposition centre halves. He can score with both feet and not afraid of putting his head where it hurts. Great signing by the boy Rowett. Also talking to a Blues fan today, thinks Kieftenbeld is a great signing for us. Very pleased with the window MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: Having watched his YouTube montage, to me he looks like the ultimate nightmare for any opposition centre halves. He can score with both feet and not afraid of putting his head where it hurts. Great signing by the boy Rowett. Also talking to a Blues fan today, thinks Kieftenbeld is a great signing for us. Very pleased with the window MM. The positive thing is that GR has identified and addressed everything people have been saying about the failures over the past 18 months. You can see where the signings fit into a plan. Unlike the Pearson and Clement signings where we were left scratching our heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I feel we now have a less skilfull squad than the one which finished last season but after yesterdays' transfer dealings I'm more optimistic that we now have the potential for a better team. Time, as they say, will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Winnall. I like the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Winnall does appear to rely on crosses into the box though...I've noticed Huddlestone seems to float corners rather than arrow them in with pace but Winnall seems quick to react to good deliveries...my only worry is will he get the service and who from ?? ...please dont say Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, Saity said: Winnall does appear to rely on crosses into the box though...I've noticed Huddlestone seems to float corners rather than arrow them in with pace but Winnall seems quick to react to good deliveries...my only worry is will he get the service and who from ?? ...please dont say Russell Lawrence maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 hours ago, therealhantsram said: On a positive note, this is an interesting stat. Certainly consistent. In some good company there. So we have 2 of the top 4 strikers in the league ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I get a little bit down when there isn't a bit of obvious on the ball genius in a side .. We all love those magic moments but I have a real sense that GR is aiming to create a team, a unit with complimenting strengths. I am optimistic and get that feeling that we aren't splashing cash willy nilly .. There has clearly been some considerable thought and planning. hope it works but in the meantime I am right behind the new world order. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Saity said: Winnall does appear to rely on crosses into the box though...I've noticed Huddlestone seems to float corners rather than arrow them in with pace but Winnall seems quick to react to good deliveries...my only worry is will he get the service and who from ?? ...please dont say Russell Russell has assisted brilliantly for two of our goals already hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Clearly this fella deserves a song! To similar lyrics of "Just Can't Win Em All" .......make up your own tune coz this one's super duff, oh eck and so are my poxy lyrics!.... He's up for the fight, Owls, you still can't quite recall You can try, you can try But he's our Super Sam Winnall, our Super Sam Winnall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Russell has assisted brilliantly for two of our goals already hasn't he? oh yeah he's been brilliant...the sunderland so called assist was a deflection but if you want to count that then ok so thats 2 this season which i agree is already better than last season...in fact double last seasons total...wow....do you really think Russell is a good crosser/ assister of goals ??? if so your'e watching a different game to me and over half of the people on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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