Sexydadbod Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, Lappo said: I hope you don't mind me joining in on this, I was curious of your thoughts about Butterfield, I will delete my account shortly. I'm a Wednesday fan and from what I can gather you have probably the best deal out of this. Winnall is a good finisher and will score you goals if he's given a chance, whereas at Hillsborough our moron of a manager didn't allow him one. The real reason (and this is from a very good source) he has been squeezed out is that he has had run ins with more than one player at the club, culminating in him going in deliberately late with Forestieri in training who consequently stuck one on Winnalls chin. Both players were reprimanded. The reason Winnall has had the bad attitude is apparently because he thought he wasn't being given a fair crack of the whip and I can agree with him, to be fair because in my and fellow Owls opinion, he hasn't. All the best to you for the season even though you lost at Bumhole Lane last week and cost me a bet! Butterfield needs midfield runners to get the best out of him. You aren't going to see him running around the pitch or making tackles but he's decent technically and has a good shot on him. He also has very poor stamina and you will often see him come off after 60-65 minutes. However, he's a huge confidence player. When he's on form, he looks like one of the best midfielders in the championship but when he's not, which appears to be most of the time, he is very poor and slows the tempo of the game down. You play 4-4-2 if I'm correct? I'm not sure he will do too well in a midfield 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Butterfield is a "Number 10" but has been turned into a dour midfield water carrier by successive managers. This could be a good deal for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser_23 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Another reason for Wendies to think all we do is nick their songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go Glad to hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 It wouldn't have surprised me if he had gone. i suspect he is another in the hughes/bryson category. Possibly too big a gamble to let him go based on the amount of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 47 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go 1 minute ago, RamNut said: It wouldn't have surprised me if he had gone. i suspect he is another in the hughes/bryson category. Possibly too big a gamble to let him go based on the amount of change. In what way? You did read the bit where Rowett seems to have made the final call on it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go Any idea of how much they were willing to spend? I don't think it would have been a good move for Rowett to be honest having moved on Ince Hughes and Bryson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 From what I have seen, Winnall looks surprisingly good in the air for someone not that tall....and a good finisher. Think we might have got the better of this swap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB2269 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Another perspective on Winnall as someone who watched him for Burton during a loan spell there when he was a youngster. It is difficult to 'pigeon hole' Sam as a particular type of striker. He isn't a target man by any means, he isn't a pace merchant playing on the shoulder of the last defender either. What he is though is a smart, quick thinking striker who has that handy habit of being in the right place at the right time to finish a goalscoring chance off when it arrives inside the penalty area. He also has a feisty, competitive streak about him which I think has served him well at Scunny and Barnsley. When at Burton he didn't always catch the eye during games but he came alive in and around the box to take chances. Gary would have been coaching him (as assistant to Pesch) when Sam was at Burton so will know all about what he can do. It could turn out to be a very shrewd move for him and Derby if he gets the chance to get regular games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 minute ago, WB2269 said: It is difficult to 'pigeon hole' Sam as a particular type of striker. He isn't a target man by any means, he isn't a pace merchant playing on the shoulder of the last defender either. What he is though is a smart, quick thinking striker who has that handy habit of being in the right place at the right time to finish a goalscoring chance off when it arrives inside the penalty area. He also has a feisty, competitive streak about him which I think has served him well at Scunny and Barnsley. So Paul Dickov then? (And i don't mean that in a derogatory way or anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go What figure? It won't surprise anyone to learn I would have sold and looked to invest in a better replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 @SuperDerbySuperRams any idea if there's an option to buy in this deal ? And likewise with Butterfield ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyPride Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Wolves did try and weren't miles off getting Martin late last night... but in the end Rowett didn't want to let him go @SuperDerbySuperRams do you have any more info on any of the ins/outs regarding fees, loan fees and whether the loans are with view to a permanent? Apart from Bryson's loan apparently being made permanent in January and the rumoured £300k-£2m Kieftenbeld fee, I've not seen anything else reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyPride Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said: @SuperDerbySuperRams any idea if there's an option to buy in this deal ? And likewise with Butterfield ? Beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 hours ago, cheron85 said: I feel like the major problem we've been having is getting the ball into the box in the first place... Spot on....Winnall needs crosses and I'm not sure who's going to deliver them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB2269 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: So Paul Dickov then? (And i don't mean that in a derogatory way or anything). Maybe. Never seen enough of Dickov to judge on that one. My thoughts are that Sam is just a natural goalscorer. Seems to make intelligent runs and has an instinct to gamble on where the ball is going to go and invariably be in the right place to score. Not proven at Championship level yet, apart from at Wednesday last season, but I think he has all the right attributes to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: So Paul Dickov then? (And i don't mean that in a derogatory way or anything). Paul Peschisolido sprang to my mind from the description, but no shame in having a young version of either in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The more I think about this deal the more I have no idea how we pulled it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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