Ninos Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 14 hours ago, Alpha said: Haven't all the teams we've played been above us until Saturday. His first game was Leeds. They're a point behind Norwich. Sheffield Wednesday 2 points Sure. But Everyone was above us so that's not a good measure. We were close to bottom on account of momentous bungling by the manager. Leeds huddersfield and sheff Wed are not good teams sorry to break the news, the good teams we've played are: newcastle villa (v good players but not putting it together) brighton liverpool in the cup, and now Norwich Good teams to me are teams that could cause some trouble in the premier league ... reading are a decent side too more due to the style of play their jaap Stam has instilled than to the quality of players. So we will see Saturday ... against a strong but stuttering team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 42 minutes ago, Ninos said: Sure. But Everyone was above us so that's not a good measure. We were close to bottom on account of momentous bungling by the manager. Leeds huddersfield and sheff Wed are not good teams sorry to break the news, the good teams we've played are: newcastle villa (v good players but not putting it together) brighton liverpool in the cup, and now Norwich Good teams to me are teams that could cause some trouble in the premier league ... reading are a decent side too more due to the style of play their jaap Stam has instilled than to the quality of players. So we will see Saturday ... against a strong but stuttering team I agree that we have looked good against poor teams. I think the important thing is that the players have gained confidence from those wins. Just a few weeks ago, nobody wanted the ball. Now there's a willingness to try a few things. Hughes had his mojo back and Butterfield has added a final ball to his armoury. Norwich will be a tougher test but at least they will be facing a side that wants to attack. My concern is how we defend against constant pressure. That's not a criticism of the defence. Sometimes we lose shape as a team and that creates space. If SM and co can sort that, then I think a few January signings will put us in good stead for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 44 minutes ago, Ninos said: Sure. But Everyone was above us so that's not a good measure. We were close to bottom on account of momentous bungling by the manager. Leeds huddersfield and sheff Wed are not good teams sorry to break the news, the good teams we've played are: newcastle villa (v good players but not putting it together) brighton liverpool in the cup, and now Norwich Good teams to me are teams that could cause some trouble in the premier league ... reading are a decent side too more due to the style of play their jaap Stam has instilled than to the quality of players. So we will see Saturday ... against a strong but stuttering team So you ignore league position and form and base it on the teams you rate? Good teams to you are teams that could cause problems in the PL? Villa and Norwich were relegated. Villa easily. Reading are a good side (on 31 points) but Huddersfield (29) and Leeds (26) aren't. Neither are play off finalists Sheffield Wednesday (25 points). Reading finished 17th last season so if you're not basing it on current standings then what are you basing it on? In fact, you don't base a "good team" on league position, form or the previous season achievements. You base it on whether you think they'd do well in the PL? It's a bit like your opinion on players like Butterfield and Martin. You don't base it on stats or what they do on the pitch. But what a player you imagine playing would be doing. Same old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Can see both sides of this argument ,if I'm right the rating of Norwich being a tougher test for us is based on what they are capable of if they are firing right and we kinda want to see how an on song Derby stack up against a side like Norwich if they are also on song on the day? We know to our cost in this division that if we are on an off day most sides can and do beat us ,,, I believe that when we are firing right there only really Newcastle that can live with us perhaps villa if they get it right , I think the rest we batter ,Brighton included ,,,, we have nothing to fear but ourselves , we need to prepare properly and turn up for every game producing or best or somewhere around it and that will easily take us play offs minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Rotherham had the leakiest defense in the division prior to the game on Saturday, even though we played very well and completely dominated them, it will be a test for us against a good Norwich side that is current lacking confidence. Us on form them on poor form its got to be a win, not an easy win but a win nether the less. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Alpha said: So you ignore league position and form and base it on the teams you rate? Good teams to you are teams that could cause problems in the PL? Villa and Norwich were relegated. Villa easily. Reading are a good side (on 31 points) but Huddersfield (29) and Leeds (26) aren't. Neither are play off finalists Sheffield Wednesday (25 points). Reading finished 17th last season so if you're not basing it on current standings then what are you basing it on? In fact, you don't base a "good team" on league position, form or the previous season achievements. You base it on whether you think they'd do well in the PL? It's a bit like your opinion on players like Butterfield and Martin. You don't base it on stats or what they do on the pitch. But what a player you imagine playing would be doing. Same old Brilliant post lol. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Same team. Same attitude. Same effort. Same system. (Maybe different penalty taker though!! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Looking and comparing various statistics in performance this season, Norwich and Derby are very similar sides with not much between them. It's important to distinguish between form and ability; boith Derby and Norwich are very capable sides in this division and whilst our recent form is good, their's is on a dip. Also, in beating Rovrum last week (who have structural issues in midfield and defence) we were sloppy at times in front of our defence; we gave some ball away which sides with pedigree will punish. So, we are not as polished (yet!) as we need to be. Norwich will be lifted by the anticipation of a big crowd / big game atmosphere and the need to up their game, so I expect a tough game with not much between the sides. I'm going for a 1-1 or a 2-2. That will be okay because I believe both sides will be top 6 come late April. Derby do need to win this outright as it does lay down a big fat marker, but I don't think we have quite the steel or appetite yet. Longer term, it may do us good not to win, just to peg us down to earth a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Yep Ellafella .. That's my feeling too. I really hope we win and win well but at a certain point, realism has to play its part in my happy clappy football world ( I am cautious and risk averse by nature but for some reason where football is concerned I always see the bright side of life ) .. Will be thinking we can win this but when it's 2-2 and the whistle blows .. I'll be thinking not bad lads, reality check. One more point etc etc BUT .. I can't consider losing to anyone in our division, at home, before the ball has been kicked; that's just somehow not right as a fan. AND.. Wouldn't you just love it if either ex canaries Bent and Johnson got on the score sheet ..the thought of that sort of icing makes Saturday's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 33 minutes ago, jono said: Yep Ellafella .. That's my feeling too. I really hope we win and win well but at a certain point, realism has to play its part in my happy clappy football world ( I am cautious and risk averse by nature but for some reason where football is concerned I always see the bright side of life ) .. Will be thinking we can win this but when it's 2-2 and the whistle blows .. I'll be thinking not bad lads, reality check. One more point etc etc BUT .. I can't consider losing to anyone in our division, at home, before the ball has been kicked; that's just somehow not right as a fan. AND.. Wouldn't you just love it if either ex canaries Bent and Johnson got on the score sheet ..the thought of that sort of icing makes Saturday's great. We share very similar outlooks / views Jono. The thing that is killing me right now is that I have to be in London for a 50th Birthday on Sat so my son gets my ticket gratis and I will be knocking about Soho hoping Her Indoors fails to notice the headphone that will be in my lug 'ole. What a game to miss...I always like the way the green and yellow of Norwich is reflected in the floodlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie G Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'd take the draw, keep the run going and go all out against wigan. Happy to carry on up the table under the radar by beating the lower teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, jono said: Yep Ellafella .. That's my feeling too. I really hope we win and win well but at a certain point, realism has to play its part in my happy clappy football world ( I am cautious and risk averse by nature but for some reason where football is concerned I always see the bright side of life ) .. Will be thinking we can win this but when it's 2-2 and the whistle blows .. I'll be thinking not bad lads, reality check. One more point etc etc BUT .. I can't consider losing to anyone in our division, at home, before the ball has been kicked; that's just somehow not right as a fan. AND.. Wouldn't you just love it if either ex canaries Bent and Johnson got on the score sheet ..the thought of that sort of icing makes Saturday's great. Think bent himself missed the time he was a player for Norwich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Think bent himself missed the time he was a player for Norwich! Ooops Ipswich .. Knew it was somewhere in Tractor country. Combine harvester or Canary meh . Not much difference there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 On 11/19/2016 at 21:26, Kernow said: Definitely one we can win. They sit 6th, and a win would take us 1 point behind them. Although I doubt we'll be 1 point off the play-offs if we win this, it shows how close we are despite our bad start. Our confidence is high, theirs is low. If a draw was offered for this one, I wouldn't take it. My mentality has changed so much that it looks like a routine win for us. How has that come about? COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I think we are on for a score draw here, regardless of how out of form Norwich are they have a good squad at this level and their form will turn at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 On 11/22/2016 at 20:20, jono said: Ooops Ipswich .. Knew it was somewhere in Tractor country. Combine harvester or Canary meh . Not much difference there Don't let them hear you say that.. there's a canary around here somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said: Don't let them hear you say that.. there's a canary around here somewhere! I can't keep canaries me. One fart and they keel over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Ram Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Boycie said: I can't keep canaries me. One fart and they keel over. Always thought you were full of Shxt(Joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 A win and we truely are flying. Would be a huge boost going into the Xmas period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 December fixtures looking decent as well @SuperDerbySuperRams ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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