StringerBell Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I know he didn't have the best season last season (but still wasn't bad) but I'd put that down to Clement. If we said £10 million last summer why is he now an £8 million player in some people's eyes when teams are paying silly money? We turned down not much less for Hendrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Let's say we sell Martin and buy Wells and we are no better. If we sell anybody that has to be to make the team stronger. We would need silly money regardless who we sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound 2 tease Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Don't you think you need individuals to come together to make a team, derr. What happens if they don't come together.....Reading and Birmingham and Portsmouth and Ist leg of the play off etc etc. spring to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Cam the Ram said: If strikers like Kodjia and Wells are likely to cost nearer the £10 million mark, I'd want similar for Martin. If you dont have pace as a striker you tend not to go for big money and the premier league clubs stay away. Given Martins hold up play, general touch and vision, if he was any sort of threat inbehind and had any pace at all, he would have been playing premier league football a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramLAD Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, jagerbob said: If you dont have pace as a striker you tend not to go for big money and the premier league clubs stay away. Given Martins hold up play, general touch and vision, if he was any sort of threat inbehind and had any pace at all, he would have been playing premier league football a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Don't sell him, for ***** sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Ninos said: He's a goner CS. £12m is silly. 8 + would easily do the trick. Didn't play much in pre season didn't start v Brighton and offered nothing when he came on; made some nice passes v grimsby, but failed completely to link with Bent. He missed one good chance, but he's slow and not exactly a hard worker of Pearson ilk. He's not in competition with bent he's in competition with Ince. Plus, the wolves offer is not out of the blue. It's no doubt us dangling him out there. We obviously want more money for him but we may not see him play for us again. Like Mel, id like to see Zanzala given a chance but looks like Pearson has other ideas. Fear you're right. With Nigel Pearson apparently wanting to break so many eggs, there'd better be a very tasty omelette at the end of it. You're right that the implication is Derby do want to sell. As I said long ago in the Hendrick thread, by announcing we've rejected a bid we are encouraging an auction. If we didn't want to sell we could simply stay silent. Interesting times ahead. Martin is the best at this level for what he does. If we don't want that then the switch is to power and pace. I'd love Zanzala to be brought through, but if we're losing our main man then the youth isn't likely the answer and we'd need someone much more the finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Don't you think you need individuals to come together to make a team, derr. By my reckoning you need 11, derr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 You should never sell an asset to help bolster a rival that's just poor business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Fear you're right. With Nigel Pearson apparently wanting to break so many eggs, there'd better be a very tasty omelette at the end of it. You're right that the implication is Derby do want to sell. As I said long ago in the Hendrick thread, by announcing we've rejected a bid we are encouraging an auction. If we didn't want to sell we could simply stay silent. Interesting times ahead. Martin is the best at this level for what he does. If we don't want that then the switch is to power and pace. I'd love Zanzala to be brought through, but if we're losing our main man then the youth isn't likely the answer and we'd need someone much more the finished product. These players we have aren't the best otherwise we would have been promoted by now with it being largely the same group. It needs a shake up and that's what Pearson is here to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 £10 million seems an awful lot to pay for a wardrobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 SSN said 5 million was offered and turned down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 hour ago, jagerbob said: If you dont have pace as a striker you tend not to go for big money and the premier league clubs stay away. Given Martins hold up play, general touch and vision, if he was any sort of threat inbehind and had any pace at all, he would have been playing premier league football a long time ago. Didn't liverpool pay £35m for Andy Carroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nijul_cluff Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, toddy said: SSN said 5 million was offered and turned down DET says 6.5 Million was offered and turned down. Who do you think is most reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Footballs a shrewd business, you can't knock what Martin has done for us, but at the same time we've built a team around him for 3 seasons and still not made it. It's telling that we are hearing of no serious bids from Prem teams. To turn down 8-10 million on nostalgia reasons for a player we signed for note would be daft IMO. And it's ok saying its a risk replacing him with another striker, but it's also a risk basing a team around him for a 4th season running don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, YouRams said: ...but it's also a risk basing a team around him for a 4th season running don't you think? What in case he scores another 20 goals and sets up however many chances? Yeah it's all his fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 At least we play wolves on tv so we can all see him score a late winner for them against us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 If we end up playing it long which so far we are doing and only are having two in central midfield the likes of Hughes and Thorne are less likely to be used or indeed sold, uneasy times ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What in case he scores another 20 goals and sets up however many chances? Yeah it's all his fault! Not really said that have I though... 433 is set around Martin and Thorne and hasn't worked. Not his fault personally, but if he has an off game it's more damaging than most having one because the system relies on him. I'm not saying he can't or won't work in another system but obviously someone does or these rumours wouldn't be circulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Not a risk to base your team around someone who's worst season since being a permanent Derby player is 15 goals and 10 assists. If he's not going to play then no point having him and we cash in, but it's too early to say he won't. Hopefully Pearson can utilise him as he's the best target man at this level. Keep until January then consider selling him if he's not playing, we may lose a couple of million on his value but that won't hurt us, he was a free transfer after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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