uttoxram75 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I'll be sad to see Chris Martin go. I've enjoyed some of the best football for many a year with Chrissy as the focal point of a superb attacking formation that ripped teams apart with unbelieveable ease at times. My sadness is because we probably aren't going to see that level of skill and dominance again if his sale is due to the way NP wants to play. I'll cheer and support if we win and go up like I've always done, but I will have lost a tiny little bit of love for the game if we don't see that beautiful football again. I would swap any promotion just to see Bryson's hattrick at Millwall and against the Gumps, the quality of that goal at Yeovil and countless other works of art....a single Rembrandt is worth more than a thousand stickmen...is that a metaphor of any sense?..i doubt it....anyrode, where was I, oh yes, Chris Martin, its not the actual player i'll miss, more like the passing of an era that was built out of misery and ended up a thing of exquisite beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Anybody who will be pleased to see Martin go must have poo for brains. be careful what you wish for, the grass isn't always greener... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Why would we sell him for less than £12m? (A Ross McCormack type fee!?) Who'd pay it? Can't see him leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Most prolific striker at the club since Saunders, nearly 30 years ago and some fans want rid. I can appreciate a change of system not accommodating him, but I honestly think if we sell him, the replacements we are looking at are not better than him. We are potentially selling a better player for less than what we are signing new strikers for. Last season we need an injection of quality, but we went for quantity and failed...this year we just desperately need a couple of quality players, but again we seem to be going for major surgery. I know Rome wasn't built in a day, but with the time our rebuilding job is taken I hope we ain't got the builders on a day rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 First Brexit, now this!? we're a brave lot, us Rams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: I'll be sad to see Chris Martin go. I've enjoyed some of the best football for many a year with Chrissy as the focal point of a superb attacking formation that ripped teams apart with unbelieveable ease at times. My sadness is because we probably aren't going to see that level of skill and dominance again if his sale is due to the way NP wants to play. I'll cheer and support if we win and go up like I've always done, but I will have lost a tiny little bit of love for the game if we don't see that beautiful football again. I would swap any promotion just to see Bryson's hattrick at Millwall and against the Gumps, the quality of that goal at Yeovil and countless other works of art....a single Rembrandt is worth more than a thousand stickmen...is that a metaphor of any sense?..i doubt it....anyrode, where was I, oh yes, Chris Martin, its not the actual player i'll miss, more like the passing of an era that was built out of misery and ended up a thing of exquisite beauty. Have faith and cheer up Utch - we've seen beautiful football and footballers go and be replaced over the years and sometimes in the most unexpected of circumstances. You could argue that Dave's team was more attractive than Brian's (and we were down about him going); Jim produced one of the most attractive Derby teams that I've had the pleasure of watching out of not so much; Arthur's teams were more workmanlike overall but he came up with Dean Saunders and Mark Wright; we've had some good times in the last few years and some of the football in the first two (only) games of this season has been promising. Different but promising LS Lowry painted stickmen by the thousand, and he was a pretty good artist. Valuable too................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Most prolific striker at the club since Saunders, nearly 30 years ago and some fans want rid. I can appreciate a change of system not accommodating him, but I honestly think if we sell him, the replacements we are looking at are not better than him. We are potentially selling a better player for less than what we are signing new strikers for. Last season we need an injection of quality, but we went for quantity and failed...this year we just desperately need a couple of quality players, but again we seem to be going for major surgery. I know Rome wasn't built in a day, but with the time our rebuilding job is taken I hope we ain't got the builders on a day rate. A fit Thorne and Hughes, replace Bent and better tactics could be all that we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I think we have been so close, injuries hampered us last season. This season we needed a clean slate in pre-season, a new quality right back and a top striker and we were off and running. We now approach our second game of the season and everything is up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Last season we need an injection of quality, but we went for quantity and failed...this year we just desperately need a couple of quality players, but again we seem to be going for major surgery. I think we went for quality and failed to improve what we had, plus we went for slightly panicked replacements for the early season injuries. So far, we've signed no-one, so major surgery? I think not. I reckon we sit back, trust NP and enjoy the ride. Better than playing will we won't we over some might be player from the SPL all summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsputen Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 we still need a new striker even if martin stays theres no way him an bent alone will get the goals neccesary for promotion in a league that is looking more an more world class talent filled every season. i hope we keep martin but we are definetly missing beastly finishing,pace an confidence up front . someone ask jose about a rashford loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Leicester Ram said: I'd re-read the edited post, mate... You pressed post by accident innit? Ha! What a clown. You'll never make a moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 8 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: I would swap any promotion just to see Bryson's hattrick at Millwall and against the Gumps, the quality of that goal at Yeovil and countless other works of art....a single Rembrandt is worth more than a thousand stickmen...is that a metaphor of any sense?..i doubt it....anyrode, where was I, oh yes, Chris Martin, its not the actual player i'll miss, more like the passing of an era that was built out of misery and ended up a thing of exquisite beauty. For every person that admires a Rembrandt there is one who equally admires an Emin or Hirst the most overriding maxim nowadays oft quoted is that football is a results based game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Inglorius said: For every person that admires a Rembrandt there is one who equally admires an Emin or Hirst the most overriding maxim nowadays oft quoted is that football is a results based game That is an absolutely terrifying analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 9 hours ago, PodgeyRam said: What are you basing that on? Chris Martin has been one of the most fouled players in the league over the past 3 seasons and thats without all of the free kicks he should have had. I bet that if you were to ask every championship defender that they would all say that Bent is easier to defend against. Martin drops deep meaning defenders get caught in two minds about whether to follow him or pass him on. Bent meanwhile is caught offside time and time again, having realised that he isn't quick enough to time his runs later. Plus the some total of Bent's contribution to play is to jump under the ball time and time again. I think man must have shrunk during the last couple of seasons because nothing else explains his insistance of jumping under the ball. Almost Everything is inaccurate here. First Martin can't run and he can't jump so how is he hard to defend? He can drop off the centre half and drop a pass back. Hard to defend like that ? He has zero intimidation factor even though Owen Bradley once saw fit to compare him to Diego Costa! Second if you haven't been paying attention (and I'm not a Bent fan) but bent is lightning fast ... I would actually venture a guess that he's the fastest player on the team. Ask the coaching staff how fast he is. He's also the best leaper after Keogh. So he beats defenders with both pace and jumping, and can lay the ball off with head or feet. Problem there is that Ince is half asleep most of the time. The only truth contained herein is the fact that he's offside so much and it's because he saunters back far too much after we lose possession, and he mistimes runs a lot where he's level with their back line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 8 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: I'll be sad to see Chris Martin go. I've enjoyed some of the best football for many a year with Chrissy as the focal point of a superb attacking formation that ripped teams apart with unbelieveable ease at times. My sadness is because we probably aren't going to see that level of skill and dominance again if his sale is due to the way NP wants to play. I'll cheer and support if we win and go up like I've always done, but I will have lost a tiny little bit of love for the game if we don't see that beautiful football again. I would swap any promotion just to see Bryson's hattrick at Millwall and against the Gumps, the quality of that goal at Yeovil and countless other works of art....a single Rembrandt is worth more than a thousand stickmen...is that a metaphor of any sense?..i doubt it....anyrode, where was I, oh yes, Chris Martin, its not the actual player i'll miss, more like the passing of an era that was built out of misery and ended up a thing of exquisite beauty. I agree with the sentiment and I'm not in favour of Martin leaving. That said Pearson's Leicester were very impressive when they blew us away 4-1 at the crisp bowl, they played some nice stuff too. If Pearson can replicate that, then whilst we will miss the swashbuckling 2014 football we will still have plenty to enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I don't understand why we would sell CM even if he doesn't currently fit jnto NP's system? Buy somebody else, but keep one of your best players at the club to complement, cover and learn the system. You never know when you might need him or when you might need to change the way you play, either in a game or over a number of games. Keep him for the options he gives us. Slash and burn mentality is extremely odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ninos said: Almost Everything is inaccurate here. First Martin can't run and he can't jump so how is he hard to defend? He can drop off the centre half and drop a pass back. Hard to defend like that ? He has zero intimidation factor even though Owen Bradley once saw fit to compare him to Diego Costa! Second if you haven't been paying attention (and I'm not a Bent fan) but bent is lightning fast ... I would actually venture a guess that he's the fastest player on the team. Ask the coaching staff how fast he is. He's also the best leaper after Keogh. So he beats defenders with both pace and jumping, and can lay the ball off with head or feet. Problem there is that Ince is half asleep most of the time. The only truth contained herein is the fact that he's offside so much and it's because he saunters back far too much after we lose possession, and he mistimes runs a lot where he's level with their back line. I think your first sentence should be at the end of your post. If you have to ask why defenders don't like playing against players like Martin you will never appreciate what he does (which we all know you don't) and there is no point trying to explain it to you. I find it funny that you think the only thing that bothers defenders is how quick a striker is and how high they can jump. Bent the fastest player and biggest leader? I don't know whether to laugh or be stunned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGApro Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, LazloW said: I don't understand why we would sell CM even if he doesn't currently fit jnto NP's system? Buy somebody else, but keep one of your best players at the club to complement, cover and learn the system. You never know when you might need him or when you might need to change the way you play, either in a game or over a number of games. Keep him for the options he gives us. Slash and burn mentality is extremely odd. Im not so sure CM would be happy being a bit part player/left on the sidelines. Its a great scenario but he wouldnt accept that IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITSD Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 For so many years we were crying out for a striker who could score 20+ goals per season. We now have one. They aren't easy to find. Let's not sell ours. To be honest, I would become even less interested in this season if we did sell Chris Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 44 minutes ago, Ninos said: Almost Everything is inaccurate here. First Martin can't run and he can't jump so how is he hard to defend? He can drop off the centre half and drop a pass back. Hard to defend like that ? He has zero intimidation factor even though Owen Bradley once saw fit to compare him to Diego Costa! Second if you haven't been paying attention (and I'm not a Bent fan) but bent is lightning fast ... I would actually venture a guess that he's the fastest player on the team. Ask the coaching staff how fast he is. He's also the best leaper after Keogh. So he beats defenders with both pace and jumping, and can lay the ball off with head or feet. Problem there is that Ince is half asleep most of the time. The only truth contained herein is the fact that he's offside so much and it's because he saunters back far too much after we lose possession, and he mistimes runs a lot where he's level with their back line. Bent fastest at the club? ??? he runs like he's got 2 caravans hitched to the back of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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