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5 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

His knack for overpromising and underdelivering is really starting to grate.

I get that he is in an awkward position where he gets slated for saying nothing, and slated for committing to something but I think I'd rather be occasionally pleasantly surprised than consistently disappointed.

I stand corrected.

Not like Warne to miss a self imposed signing deadline.

Mac 1 was the dream and should’ve seen us go up in the play offs. A true sliding doors moment. 
 
But he’s had his chance and then some and any return of Mac really would be old news. 
 
Get Warnock in, get him poohousing us out of this god forsaken league and if he has a shocker then we’d have achieved as much as we’re going to with PW as boss.

15 minutes ago, Marriot Ram99 said:

I wouldn't want Warnock not exactly going to be a good option to build us long term is he?  Also can't believe people would want him and complain but Warnes football,  he's not exactly Guardiola or De Zerbi. Plays direct and old school. 

 

Gives Warnock a free hit this season and DC time to plan our long term successor.  Warnock also good at dealing with agricultural squads. 
 
Don’t mind boring football if we win. Something Warne isn’t doing enough of.

Think we should try and sign Russell Brand, we might finally get to see a coordinated attack then.

Short term free hit season = Warnock

Long term attractive football: 

Evatt   
Williams   
Simpson

Plus there’s others out there who may be the right man such as Moore, Wilder etc.

5 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Excellent suggestion. I’m just not sure we can afford Warne’s pay off.

We are going to struggle in midfield this season because we don’t have players who demand the ball or who take a risk. They all hide and play it simple. None of them are quick or energetic. Other teams will outwork us in the middle and that will be problematic. 

We have reasonably good defenders but as yet don’t have a unit that seems to understand each other’s game. Also, because the midfield aren’t demanding it, the defence tries to play long passes and they can’t do it.

We also have players with very little technical ability. The subs yesterday at least improved that aspect. Sibley, Wilson and Barkhuisen may not be consistent but at least they can play with the ball at their feet. 

Elder, Cashin and Nelson are very limited footballers. I’m not wowed by Washington and Embleton (very early I know) didn’t show any strong traits.

Despite all of those negative comments, a stronger, more focussed leader could transform the way we play. The team need to be given permission to try first time passing even if it means the odd c***-up.

Bird, Thompson and Fornah is probably our best midfield. Waghorn will try his best and keep everyone up to it (excellent captain I reckon), and we should have enough from the flanks to get service to the strikers.

There’s a good team in there. We have to keep the faith and the belief.
 

 

 

Regards the pay off I know compensation for Warne didn’t go against our business plan. But whether it goes against FFP is another question. 
 
Id be worried if DC can’t afford it. Get on the phone to some Arabs if that’s the case.

9 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

I don't share your optimism. I've been on this forum and following the club for long enough to see that when supporters have it in for either a manager or a player they can poo gold cufflinks but they will always be the same in their eyes. 

If Warne got us winning matches then this forum would quieten down without a doubt. 
 
The sort of behaviour and attitude you’re referring to comes on board when fans are fed up at either bad results or poor/boring football. Same happened with Cocu. Once the writing is on the wall it’s a tough road back. But as I say if Warne can have a lobotomy and wake up with a few tactics and wins things would change.

7 minutes ago, HorsforthRam said:

 

Yes this Rotherham fan has summed things up perfectly. 
 
He also made a good point that league 1 is getting stronger and that’s why PW’s magic is none existent.

DC must be watching what we are and be deeply unimpressed. 
 
I guess if we can flat track bully the next few matches then things might look better but tactically we are dreadful. 

Two times today Hourihane launched it long when he had a player 5 yards away in space. Hourihane is a technician he’s been told to hit them balls. Dreadful.

Not a great line up but with the injuries we have I can see why we’ve gone with that. 

Can’t help but think we’ll look more of a threat in the last 20 when the likes of Sibs, Barkz, Collins and Embleton come on.

If it’s 352 then NML looks set to spend a match in his favourite position…

Without doubt the unluckiest team in football. 

Worth noting over Covid that every other club got a bail out by the EFL. Whereas we didn’t because Mel upset them.

14 minutes ago, Curtains said:

I think you will find that Derby fans think we should win the League right 

Some might. I’ve been very critical of this season and top 6 is my target (although I’ll admit that’s top 6 with a PO win). 
 
So far we’re not top 6 and haven’t played like a top 6 team so frustrations and groans have been aired. 

Warne saying tonight he expects/targeting the top 6 so surely that ends this topic? 

Sometimes being dull/pragmatic is needed, but i think Southgate has had his chance, done a solid job and should pass the baton on to the next person.

Shame Potter went to Chelsea when he did, he was a shoe in for after the WC until he went there. That said he's hardly Mr Charisma. 

52 minutes ago, oodledoodle said:

I think Clowes's main focus was to try and alter the perception of us as a club. Football aside, to the average fan we looked pretty rotten. We'd had "cheating" Mel, financial scandals, Rooney's hotel, the drink driving, etc etc etc. Getting Warne in, someone who seems like a genuinely lovely bloke, is all part of a much bigger effort to give us a totally new culture at the club. I understand it, and I fully agree with what he's doing. NSPCC, the colours thing, investing in the women, and getting in Warne who really is an embodiment of all of those values. I also assume that the 4 year contract for Warne is an attempt to shed the impression we're a full on merry-go-round club.

The only thing that seems to be going wrong at the moment is on the pitch. It's not quite terminal decline just yet. I'm sure the club are getting the message loud and clear that a growing section of the crowd are getting restless as our footballing direction. Let's hope Warne is brave enough, and savvy enough to do something about it. That's really all everyone wants, isn't it?

Very good point and i can only speak for myself, but i don't care about any of the nice things as long as we win on a saturday.

I know the two aren't exclusive, but ultimately i'd have the devil himself as manager if he got us 3 points on a saturday. 

I like PW as a person and i'm desperate for it to work, but other peoples fears about him being tactically poor etc. seem to be correct. I think maybe Derby is too big for him. I remember him making a passing comment about fans spotting Waggy in a pre season photo and he compared us to MI5. Richie Barker also told a story where he was surprised to see a young boy wearing a Derby shirt in the Yorkshire area, before he realised that Derby are followed throughout the country. 

We're not going to be patient especially in League 1, where there's an unjust feeling that we should be there in the first place. PW seems to be Nigel mk2 except Nige's recruitment was better and he had the luxury of being in the championship to keep us satisfied.

On 10/09/2023 at 09:07, David said:

Not this again.

The PGMOL are responsible for referees and match selections.

Which makes this F the EFL chant after every poor decision daft.

The PGMOL is a separate company that is jointly owned by the PL, FA and EFL so your accusations are incriminating both the PL and FA.

Now if what you are saying is correct, do you honestly think they would have rescinded Wildsmith's red card?

If you watch enough games from top to bottom, you will see poor decisions are made all over, there is no hidden agenda to punish Derby.

We are where we are because we're failing to put the ball in the net more times than the opposition. 

Yes poor decisions don't help, yet we're responsible for our own downfalls on the pitch, it's a game of 90 minutes where we have ample opportunities to minimise the impact of poor decisions.

Plus you have to play the odds. 

We felt aggrieved during the admin season because of bad decisions, but we spent a lot of time, especially away from home in our own half. 

We spent most of the Bolton match in our own half, so if a bad decision is due and at this level it is, we're bound to be punished when its near our goal. 

2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

The football under Lampard was dire when Mason Mount was injured. We won only once in about ten weeks (11 games or so).

We have had purple patches under all managers since.

We broke a 40-year club record under Phillip Cocu of scoring at least once in over 20 consecutive league games. Not even Jim Smith or Steve McClaren manager that.

We had a great spell under Wayne Rooney when Bielik was injury free and completely dominating the opposition. 

I don’t recall creating as many chances as we did during Rosenior’s spell in charge, regularly having over 60% possession and 20+ attempts on goal.

And to be fair to Warne, I think he boasts the longest unbeaten run of any Derby manager since Jim Smith. But then again, it largely coincided with playing all the bottom teams and hammering the likes of Forest Green Rovers, Accrington Stanley and Morecambe.

Long story short, we’ve had purple patches under all managers and Lampard has gone on to show he is a bog standard manager who wouldn’t have had us anywhere near the top six without £100m worth of talent on loan.

This wasn’t me saying I think Lampard is a good manager and I agree about the Mount comment. However, we’d go 2-0 down and I’d still have faith we’d win. 
 
Cocu and Rosenior football wasn’t for me. My blood pressure must’ve quadrupled watching us try and walk the ball in every match only to draw/lose. 
 
Rooney’s football was meh. But our squad was less than ideal so I let him off for that.

Warne has overseen some big wins and maybe it’s an arrogance problem, but I fully expect us to pump the likes of Morecambe etc. So he doesn’t get much praise from me on that front. 
 
What would be entertaining with Warne using his brand of football would be wins. I don’t care if we have 1 shot a match if we win im all for it. But as others have pointed out, play ugly football and lose and fans patience won’t be as generous.

Last manager to play entertaining football was Lampard. 
 
But to entertain you need solid principles, good coaching and the players to pull it off. Think currently we have 1/3.

5 hours ago, Curtains said:

So if he is the wrong man how much would sacking him and his staff cost. 
 

So in summation it’s an irrelevance 

Why’s how much he costs matter? 

Someone broke down the signings and on paper our squad is better than last seasons. We’ve lost 3 very good teams at this level so if we’re not top 6 surely the blame lies with the manager? 
 
If you don’t think our squad is better then what have recruitment been doing these past few months. 
 
To conclude I don’t think people’s expectations are too high. Whether it’s too early for some of the moaning? Maybe…But it’s a fine balance between giving PW a fair crack of the whip and not wanting to waste a season with the wrong man.

Depends ultimately which formation Warne is going to hammer his flag to. 
 
If we’re playing 352 then we’re now in need of a central defender and right wingback. Although when Ward and Wilson are fit we have enough class in that position. 
 
Personally think the injuries have pushed us to play 4 at the back. In which case a right back may be priority. Ward apparently isn’t very good there, Wilson is an injury doubt and Smith won’t offer anything going forward. But 4 at the back means we have enough depth in central defence. 
 
Intrigued to see what formation and personal he uses in central midfield now as well. With a full squad 433 seems the way forward but doesn’t seem to be on PW list of go to formations.

Now we can’t shift Collins any chance of us bringing in a striker is dead until January.

1 hour ago, sage said:

I'm amused by posters saying "6 games is too early' as if Warne was appointed in the summer.

Obviously this season is more 'his team" but he did have most of last season.

Still no sign of a pattern of play.

He's got the next 5 games fir me.

 

 

Hull are 6th.

 

 

Hull have also spent considerably this season, were lucky to beat Leicester if you're an xG nerd. Plus out of interest 2 matches in some of the fans were starting to turn on Rosie for his style. Fair play he's turned it around since but not sure it does anybody any good comparing managers.

For all we know we could get rid of PW and he could get another L1 team promoted at our expense.