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Rowett available. 

19 hours ago, YorkshireRam said:

Not a fan of that rhetoric. If you're going to make claims with specifics like ''top 3'', you need some empirical data to back that up. The 3 relegated clubs may have retained players whose wages exceed ours- I don't know, but that's the point. Attempting to use an unqualified claim like that as a stick to beat Warne with isn't a great look...

Also in your final paragraph earlier- why is Warne the singular factor in whether a player decides to join? Money could be a factor ie. the rumoured Rhodes incident. There's so many factors outside Warne's control, why are you linking everything back to him? Stating ''it still ultimately falls back on Warne'' is untrue, and just reduces the credibility of your overall argument because it just appears reductionist. 

Ultimately it falls back on Warne. Managers getting the chop are far more common than heads of recruitment leaving.

Warne may have been as frustrated as us by the window. But as fans and fans of a 'big' club in league 1 our recruitment in the frontline was uninspiring. 

I'd also say that Warne's 'must be a nice guy' test for players could be limiting the pot for recruitment. Personally i don't care if Adolf gets resurrected if he hits 25 goals for us. 

Cocu's football was horrendous, slow possession based football that would see us squander the couple of chances a game we'd get by trying to walk it in to the net. 

No denying he walked in at the wrong time, straight after FL but with none of the funding. But his second season was a disaster. 

Think as a general rule Rooney is looked upon in better light because A) He was a rookie manager whereas Cocu had a solid record with PSV and B) How he kept us together during the admin season. Speculation of course, but i'm not sure we'd have shown the same fight with Cocu as manager. 

22 hours ago, On the Ram Page said:

As I suspected, you criticise who we have signed but cannot name the 2 absolutely necessary players we needed. Obviously the recruitment team at Derby would have been involved in who we did sign.

Even on frees we missed out on Harris - Oxford, Smith and Knibbs - Reading.

Small fee strikers were May - Charlton, Pressley - Stevenage, JCH at £750k is small IMO.

All hindsight i know but maybe we could've spent Knight's money and then accepted Cashin's offer which could've covered running costs eventually? 

Also one question i'd like asked at one of these fan forums is 'How airtight are the restrictions on us?' Could we have signed JCH for £250k and given the other £500k or a bit more to sweeten the deal at the end of the season. I know its slimey and out of Mel's playbook but not covering costs and breaking FFP got us in this mess, not being sly on transfers.

6 minutes ago, CongletonRam said:

If my neighbor won the pools, it doesn't mean that it's realistic to expect it to happen to me.

It's becoming more and more difficult to reach the Premier League. As things stand, we are a million miles away from it even being a consideration. Granted, there are fairy-tales and that is what Luton Town are.

One if the problems that I see with many of the fans is unrealistic expectations. This season, pressure is being placed by a minority of fans who feel that we should be challenging in the top 2. Now while there is no reason we shouldn't, there is no reason, with the current squad, that we should. A top 2 place would be great, but IMO we shouldn't be berating the management for not sitting in those automatic places.

 

The real question is why we haven't been able to recruit for a squad that is a serious contender for top 2.

Feels like an opportunity missed, but its ok because we're an open and honest club nowadays with a nice manager.

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

In a world where Luton have done it this statement is absolutely bonkers.

I think @CongletonRam means that Derby's natural standing in the game isn't PL level so we shouldn't be upset to not be in there.

If my assumption is right i get what he's saying, we've been in the PL once in the last 20 seasons and we all know about that shambles. Unfortunately most other historically big clubs have seemed to get to the PL in recent years. I'd say its only really us and Wednesday, maybe Ipswich that have been wading through swamp water for far too long. 

However Luton does show that any club can make it and assuming we do get back to the championship (not an unrealistic expectation IMO) then we have as much right as the other 23 teams to dream of making it.

4 minutes ago, valakari said:

If only Warne realised that Chris Martin would actually suit his style of play...better in the air to get on the end of crosses, better technically to hold the ball and deliver passes., better at gaining free kicks..rather than giving them away...in general, just a much,much better player..and still available on a free..

Signed for Bristol Rovers.

26 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Sorry to be blunt, but I think that's nonsense.

Absolutely nobody would complain if we played 'dire' football but won the Premier League and were playing in Europe. 

The style of play debate only really heats up when results are perceived to be poor. A vast majority of fans are willing to accept a certain style of play when results follow, look at the Billy Davies promotion season. However, as soon as an unappealing style of play fails to get the desired results then people turn quicker than milk in a microwave. 

Wholeheartedly agree.

I don't care if we have 1 shot a match if we win every match 1-0. However, managers should be aware by now that if they do play this pragmatic style then as you rightly say bad results won't be tolerated ie Rowett (who i really liked to be fair). 

19 minutes ago, Malagaram said:

I am amazed that people are giving so much time and space to the Warne in/out saga when thousands of people are being killed in the Israel/Gazza strip conflict.There are far more important needs to be addressed.

Awful as that is, it’s not relevant is it.

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

No I've always stated as others have on here that the number of duplicate threads being started to say exactly the same thing is beyond tedious now. 

I must admit todays post raise a smile from myself. But then who are we to say what people can or can’t put? I get it from the admin side but then that’s a job for the moderators.

1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said:

Is this the new debating tactic on here now to try and give credence to your opinion by repeating the same point over and over and over but subtlety changing the thread title ever so slightly each time?

Sounds desperate. 

Would you prefer a silent forum? Not saying that to be funny, but as I said yesterday, unless something drastically changes one way or another we’ll be trapped in this purgatory until we go on a winning run or get rid.

Fair points raised by yourself, but assuming we don’t go up but finish top 8 this season. Do you.. going off what you’ve currently seen with Warne trust him next summer?

I was underwhelmed with our forward recruitment and my prediction for the season had us finishing between 4th-8th so at the moment I shouldn’t be too underwhelmed and yet I am. 
 
In fairness to PW if Portsmouth and Oxford weren’t both looking like well oiled machines my patience may still be with him. But it’s just very gutting to see a rookie manager and Oxford both have exciting transfer windows and then importantly transferring that excitement to the pitch. 
 
Nothing about this team is exciting in my opinion, we don’t play with a swagger, a lot of our players are 30+ or young and out of contract next summer. 
 
Where’s the PW Derby that ripped Bristol Rovers a new one? 
 
Id rather PW be doing a worldie job or a shocker but unfortunately he’s doing just meh so there’s enough doubt to stick with him.

I can’t see the atmosphere around the club getting any better unless we go on a good run. I imagine we’ll have 300 forum topics all of the same nature by the end of the season if PW continues to plod on as he currently is.
 
 

2 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

The whole debate is being skewed by the constant harping of a minority. 

To such an extent that I'm being positioned as a happy clapper, Warne-loving fanboy .... when actually I consider myself pretty neutral.

I don't subscribe to the narrative of the hoofball that is being pedalled. I've been to a few games and watched all but 1 or 2 of the other games and we can be fairly direct but it's nothing like what is being repeatedly claimed.

The derision about him being a PE teacher is ludicrous,  do fans think all the other managers are Professors of Football? I have 2 friends who were managed by Warnock back in the day and they both said he was a decent bloke who had a good way about him but tended to favour certain players. No eulogies, no mention of him being a master technician or a chin-stroking football philosopher.

We are right in the play off picture, win our game in hand and we are 7 points from automatic promotion with 3/4s of a season left.

Players to come back...let's just see how we are doing at Christmas before we press panic and start the whole process again.

I'm taking a break from posting now about the football as it's become pointless just answering the same 'facts' over and over.

But if the same types of performances are yielding the same unsatisfactory results then how can people comment on the latest match without repeating themselves? 
 
Plus if none of the negative posters commented then surely the forum would just be an echo chamber to a percentage of fans liking. 
 
Personally I’ve been Warne in for awhile but unfortunately I’ve had enough of the tedious play and predictability. Blackpool was a perfect match to shut me and others up and I was happy to be shushed. But then we follow it up by drawing against Cheltenham. 
 
When’s the last time we scored a last minute winner or equaliser? It’s the opposite to Mac1 or Lampard season when we could go 2 down and still have belief that we’d win.

Just now, Jimbo Ram said:

Am I the only person that wouldn’t want Warnock? I want a younger, ambitious manager like the Ipswich Manager….or the chap at Hull maybe 🫣

I’m not a Rosenior fan to be fair, didn’t hate him either though. 

I’m happy to go down the young manager route now. Just got to make sure we pick the right one.

1 minute ago, Eaststander7 said:

And replace with who?

I mean constantly changing managers has worked so well for us over the past 10/15 years

We’ve got 2 options; 

A) Warnock, make this season a free hit and have the king of poohouse entertain. Then come the end of the season appoint our long term guy.

 
B) Go long term now and hope we back the right horse this time. Notts County or Stockport’s maybe? Eustace if he gets the sack? I like Evatt but he would be to expensive I imagine and maybe his Snapchat woes are affecting his personal life right now, so steer clear.

Just now, DiggerB said:

Plenty of out of work managers out there would suggest he might!

Maybe so, I just think if we can’t afford to pay him off it’s a bad job all round.

4 minutes ago, Eaststander7 said:

One defeat in 9….and you want him sacked? 
But the vast majority don’t want him gone 

 

 

But draws against Cambridge and Cheltenham. If you want to give Warne the full season in the hope we sneak in to the play offs then fair play to you. 
 
I’d rather us show some ambition to get top 2 and if that fails have a team that blows sides away at the very least.

4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

It doesn't work like that. What about his backroom staff as well.

It would take a mutual agreement between Warne and DC to remove Warne from his job without massive ongoing expense to the club for paying off his contract.

I'm surprised you haven't already thought of imaginative ways of bumping him off. 

Ok let’s stick with the brain trust then because we can’t afford to get rid. 
 
Looking forward to still being in league 1 in 2 years time.

2 minutes ago, Eaststander7 said:

I want some of what you’re smoking. You are completely deluded 

Deluded for wanting a manager gone? There’s a lot of deluded fans at the moment then.

12 minutes ago, Eaststander7 said:

This post sums up exactly what I have just said 😂😂

Sack him for me, just trying to think of ways to get a manager out whose football could send a glass eye to sleep.

13 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

How does that even work in your head?

For Warne to be put on gardening leave means he would have either quit his contract, be summarily dismissed or his contract terminated.

In the last case DC would have to pay out the remainder of his contract so gardening leave is utterly pointless. If he was dismissed this would be due to gross misconduct and like it or not crap footballing style wouldn't encompass this. 

You can think of other imaginative ways of parting company with Warne without financial cost to the club but the only one would be if Warne cancels his contract and even then the club would have to agree to this. 

Just tell him he’s no longer welcome at the club and hire somebody else as manager. If he’s getting paid every month then he’s got no grounds to moan. But does he want to do that for 2 years? 
 
Eventually he’d either agree to cancel his contract ie Cocu or another club would come in for him and then he’s their problem.

12 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

I think the key is, what would it take to change David Clowes mind?

Im still told he’s staunchly in support of Warne, despite growing voices from others involved at the club wanting him gone. If he’s really intent on leaving him in charge for the full 4 years (which is what I’m told is his intention, irrespective of what happens), then does he not fear about attendances dropping, and a toxic atmosphere developing. We’ve already seen that today, with the booing and abuse after the match.

 

Hate to sound like a spoilt brat, but if what you say is correct about 4 years come what may then DC needs to get in the real world. 
 
Managers don’t last that long these days unless genuine success is being had. Plus as others have noted, the atmosphere is turning sour, we can’t have this for another 2 years. 
 
Think DC needs to get a proper director of football in. However for the short term let’s get Warne out and get Warnock in.

8 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

I think if things haven't improved by xmas then Clowes needs to have a serious conversation with Warne and see if we can agree to a mutual termination. If he won't and he sticks around then we shouldn't sack him unless we absolutely have no choice. 

Think gardening leave is an option. Short term pain for Clowes, but will Warne want to sit twiddling his thumbs for another 2 years effectively killing off his managerial career?