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2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

He is no more a specialist than anyone else.

He is someone who, somehow, has his opinions listened to more than others.

The fact that the IDC disagreed with his interpretation of the amortisation issue just goes to show that he is just a person with an opinion, that goes to the trouble of analysing accounts.

I really dont see how 'football finance' is an area that anyone can be an expert in, football clubs produce the same accounts as everyone else.

As the saying goes, those who can, do.....

2 minutes ago, Inverurie Ram said:

I still have to pinch myself that Wayne Rooney played for Derby County and he's now our boss and could be for many more years.

And if we all look after one another, support one another and help one another, work for one another, like we have this season, then the freedom of Derby will just be the start of many rewards, acolades, honours that we can all rejoice and celebrate together as supporters of Derby County Football Club, the team we all adore and love.

Wayne Rooney - Furniture - Brilliant Mind.

 

 

 

 

Tune

That list makes me (and others, in sure) reminisce for the 80s. If this time in Div 3 is similar, for those of you who weren't there, buckle up, it's going to be a fun ride!

11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I don't get this. Why? It would not change what happened this last season. That can't be changed nor taken away. Why should future outcomes affect this acknowledgement of his very important contribution to the Club and more.

100%, it's not complicated, what he's done, he's done. The future is exactly that.

26 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

I'll add one more thing on to this.

I get the sense that these strange honours that people are trying to bestow on Rooney come from the fact that a lot of public officials have been drawn into the Derby County saga over the last six months. Councillors, MPs, etc, who wouldn't usually give a flying duck about football or Derby County, aside from when it suits their political needs. 

I don't know whether I'm being overly cynical here, but I do wonder whether this is a bit of a publicity stunt for said public officials. 

A little cynical but nothing too much wrong with that. For me, the club still exists - That's obviously the most important thing. If it weren't for Rooney galvanising the team, the club and, to a point, the fans/city would those big crowds have happened? Would the protests happened to the extent that they did? Where would be right now?

Throughout the last 18-24 months Rooney is pretty much the only constant outside of the players, he's stood head and shoulders above owners, prospective owners, politicians, the EFL, 'experts''/pundits/journos/ITKs, other clubs' owners and officials. He's pretty much the ONLY person I can think of (outside of players) who is obviously in credit after all of this. So yeah, I'm happy with it.

12 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Historic cost , or should we expect Kieran Maguire to understand these things?

GIven that in 2021, when talking about Alonso's bid, he described the £2 Share Capital for Alonso's company as how much money they had in the bank (Derbyshire Live 10th May 2021), no you should not expect him to understand these things. Should stick to teaching.

48 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Still doesn't work.

8 hours ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said:

Just as a business proposition, if hypothetically you bought a football stadium for £20m and charged £1m a year in rent that's a decent rental income. 

Despite current higher inflation, the banks are still only paying around 1% interest, so a 5% return is a decent income stream on that amount of investment.

Add to the mix, utilising the ground for music gigs or other events, that return could increase even more.

As a property investment it's a good stand alone venture. If, as reported, the investors are local, facilitating the survival of our club, alongside a community-minded good PR venture, whilst taking a decent return makes a lot of sense.

Add into the mix, if we recover to being promoted to the Championship, or God forbid the Premier League, those rental fees will increase.

In summary, a sound property investment for any business, with only upside.

Not really - 5% is right at the low end for commercial and residential rentals,  Is suspect that maintaining a stadium has increased overheads as well, a lot of safety stuff to consider etc etc. Then there's the risk element, it would be like renting to a student who hasn't paid their bills for a couple of years and is in loads of debt.

I have no concerns whatsoever that the stadium won't get sorted and very quickly but it's not an appealing investment, if it were, we wouldn't be discussing it right now....

Cannot wait for Adams Park ?

14 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

I have nothing against Wycombe

Cool, excellent.

15 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

but want to see them got totally hammered today.

Oh, okay.

15 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

tin pot club with a scavenger stoolman 

never forget or forgive

Ooooh, ouch.

16 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

I have nothing against Wycombe

Are you absolutely sure?

It's pretty poor journalism all round. The ground would never be bought by the ltd company, that's not their business so the Athletic is clearly inaccurate, likewise the DET should realise that.....

36 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Not sure the "right way" is having an owner who owns another club, so you can transfer players easily between the two to get round spending rules. Seems at least as dodgy than modifying you amortisation methodology. 

It seems even more dodgy when your owner has been involved in multiple criminal controversies. Morris has rightly been in the spotlight with us going into admin. But their crook of an owner is ignored then they are doing well?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelos_Marinakis

I'm not sure there is a club that has gone up in the last 10 years doing it the 'right' way? The only clubs that get found out for doing it the 'wrong' way though are those that don't make it! Football is nuts....

2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

This season was a weird one, coming out of the pandemic + the administration/uncertainty made it harder to fill the ground

That said - I don't think we can assume we will fill the ground in L1, unless we get off to a flyer and are thumping teams left right and centre, new investment, exciting new players etc

Attendances in the 3rd tier back in the 1980s dropped pretty low

Our first season we finished 7th and our average attendance was just under 11k. Highest was 16k and lowest was 8k

Even the following season when we finished 3rd and got promoted - our average attendance was 12k (highest 21k and lowest 9.5k)

I doubt we'll drop attendances that low, but the cost of living crisis won't be our friend in that respect either.

I think 20k next season will be considered a decent crowd

In fairness, you have to see that in the context of attendances at that time, that average put us above 4 of the top division clubs, those mighty clubs Villa and Forest averaged 15 and 16k respectively. In today's terms, that would have us over 30k which is very unlikely but still.....

4 hours ago, RAM1966 said:

You can pay 25p if you pay it straight away or its 35p if you spread it over 3 years to aviod -15pts.  Sorry, but this all points to a nan who wants to spend as little as possible.

It makes financial sense to pay the 25p uo front though as it erdaicates the debt straight away and will save a further 10p in the pound on all non footballing creditors.

Its the same with purchasing the ground, why pay rent on it year on year if you have the funds to purchase.  Once Derby are back on thier feet the stadium price will surely increase.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but, both actions seem a bit of an odd decision, costing him more money in the longer term!

Businessman plans to pay the lowest price he can for a business and wants that business to pay its own debts? Absolutely shocking news.

7 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

So as we thought nothing is done until an agreement has been struck on the ground (purchase or lease). In essence a 2 week extension to get the ground sorted, are we really any further forward? 

Yes, of course. Contracts have been exchanged, the deal has been done - That would not have happened it anyone involved thought the stadium purchase/lease would not go through.

12 minutes ago, plymouthram said:

Hopefully his suitcase is massive and full of cash to pay for the takeover

That reminds me of a post on the red dog board after CK had said he paid cash for his plane. To paraphrase, they were in the finance business and we're saying that someone turning up and paying cash would raise all sorts of red flags regarding money laundering and couldn't happen. Yeah, I don't think he meant cash as in wads of notes ??

19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Why do his pants need cleaning? ?

He's been away 10 days, that's 5 pairs of under-crackers, I mean, how big is his suitcase?

Feeling very positive but slightly concerned that CK's jet is en route back to the US! Hopefully popping back to say hello, get his pants cleaned and then over here on Monday ?

58 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

a few years ago, I put my 12" Vinyl (Music) Collection (records for the youngsters) on eBay. Easily four figure value.

Some moron PM'd me within 10 minutes offering me £300 cash for a quick sale.

I didn't respond to him. Not cos I'm incompetent. But because he was a cheapskate chancer trying it on.

People backing Ashley need to consider that his bid was so insulting, it wasn't worthy of a response.

According to some posters, Ashley would just come along and offer £5k to "blow other bidders out of the water", because he's loaded.?

10 minutes ago, RAM1966 said:

Well if your theory us right, about rich businessmen being prepared to pay well over the value, why has somone not bought Mels over priced trainset then?

Guess its because your talking rubbish.....

Absolutely this, it's not that difficult to understand.

27 minutes ago, Norman said:

It wasn't derogatory. It was factual. 

The two things aren't mutually exclusive, I could call you an ugly bar steward, it may be true, it's certainly derogatory.

5 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

"remain at an impasse" does not sound good.

I had been hopeful that the meeting between the two of them would get over the hurdles.

Now that seems unlikely.

Sugar.

At an impasse and talking >>>> at an impasse and not talking.

23 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

I’m looking forward to the day Derby fans stop posting foul mouth rants against Mel Morris on Twitter and sitting back soaking up the likes. We all know what he’s done and how we feel about it, but I’m bored as hell of those tweets. 

And the people who are doing it aren't the sharpest tools in the box - How do you persuade someone who you entirely depend on but have no real leverage with to 'do the right thing'? That's right, abuse them, send them death threats, propose chants against them, suggest we meet outside their house etc.... It's puerile and entirely counter productive.

1 minute ago, Kathcairns said:

I feel exactly the same, sat in my seat since pride park opened and couldnt go to a ground share.

That's so cool, I had mine for the first 6 years but travelling up from Brighton every other week was tough! Kudos to you ?

8 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

BAWT has confirmed that a meeting between Morris and Kirchner is happening tomorrow am.

Claimed, not confirmed.