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I wasn't impressed with Rooney last season.
This season I think he's one of the very bright lights at Derby.
He could easily walk away but he's committed to managing the club.
He's drawing or winning a number of games.
I'm glad he's managing the club

Wigan case:  EFL said it had no leeway in imposing the points deduction on Wigan that season.
In cases of insolvency, the panel does not determine the timing of the sanction as it can in independent disciplinary proceedings.
The EFL will continue to engage with the administrators to provide their full support in all ongoing matters with the aim of achieving a long-term future for the club.
Wigan appealled their 12 point deduction via their administrators. This was submitted to an independent arbitration panel on the grounds of “force majeure”, because the events occurred during the coronavirus pandemic which has upended the financial picture for many clubs.
The appeal didn't succeed but it delayed the outcome for Wigan.
While Derbys events did not occur during the pandemic, the administrators could claim that the pandemic did cause financial hardship for the club forcing them into administration.
Mel claimed he was losing upto 1.5 million per month, funding the club.
Derbys accounts show the the club is bound for a future profitable position, so that should interest new owners who can now buy the club at a vastly reduced price.
As with a home placed into administration that's sold at auction for a quick sale by administrators, the administrators are required to get what ever price they can get for the sale of the club. That should help to bring in new owners.
 
 
 

Wigan case:  EFL said it had no leeway in imposing the points deduction on Wigan that season.
In cases of insolvency, the panel does not determine the timing of the sanction as it can in independent disciplinary proceedings.
The EFL will continue to engage with the administrators to provide their full support in all ongoing matters with the aim of achieving a long-term future for the club.
Wigan appealled their 12 point deduction via their administrators. This was submitted to an independent arbitration panel on the grounds of “force majeure”, because the events occurred during the coronavirus pandemic which has upended the financial picture for many clubs.
The appeal didn't succeed but it delayed the outcome for Wigan.
While Derbys events did not occur during the pandemic, the administrators could claim that the pandemic did cause financial hardship for the club forcing them into administration.
Mel claimed he was losing upto 1.5 million per month, funding the club.
Derbys accounts show the the club is bound for a future profitable position, so that should interest new owners who can now buy the club at a vastly reduced price.
As with a home placed into administration that's sold at auction for a quick sale by administrators, the administrators are required to get what ever price they can get for the sale of the club. That should help to bring in new owners.
 
 
 

If Mel accepts 9 or 12 point penalty, Derbys relegated.
He can't then sell the club for more than 20 million if it's relegated.
If relegated Derby could easily go into administration, Mel walks away with nothing if the club goes into administration.
Rather than lose out on millions, why would Mel accept a 9 to 12 point penalty, stalemate and hence the negotiations continue.

60 points needed but that requires  a goal scorer or serious improvement from midfield in terms of goals 
the one bonus this season is that I think there are about 16 teams who are equally poor with little money to spend so they will all be taking points of each other probably - is that good or bad ? - so long as we collect points it’s ok 

If we get a points deduction of -12 then we'll have to try and find 59 points. A feat that this squad and manager simply aren't going to be capable of unless something drastically changes. I'm not even optimistic we'd survive a -6 point deduction at this point. But, as I said in a previous post I think the likelihood of us going down is probably 50/50 as it is anyway. The lack of squad depth enforced via the embargo meant it was essential we got off to a good start, get points on the board and then as we falter as the grind begins it'll be a softer landing. But we haven't done that really and have only managed 1 win from 7 games and 4 of them have been against teams in the bottom 6. 

When you sell anything that can be sold and are left with a team that's not good enough.
When your blocked by idiots at the efl from bringing in new players.
Welcome to the rest of the season ...

One issue here is that he was the elder player and club captain, as such he should have advised the other players to take a taxi home.
It was a complete lack of expected responsibility on his part

It's not that nobody wants to buy the club, other struggling clubs have been purchased. 
It's like property, when you buy a renovation house at auction, you pay a lot less than the full price.
Mel has to agree to sell the club for a lot less than he currently is rumoured to want for it.
 

It's not that nobody wants to buy the club, other struggling clubs have been purchased. 
It's like property, when you buy a renovation house at auction, you pay a lot less than the full price.
Mel has to agree to sell the club for a lot less than he currently is rumoured to want for it.
 

It's not that nobody wants to buy the club, other struggling clubs have been purchased. 
It's like property, when you buy a renovation house at auction, you pay a lot less than the full price.
Mel has to agree to sell the club for a lot less than he currently is rumoured to want for it.
 

No, sorry, I meant at Companies House.
If we filed our accounts at Companies House and they have been signed off by an Independent Auditor, then I am not sure how The EFL could keep that on our charge sheet.
If they wanted to take issue with the accounts or the auditors then they should raise with an appropriate body.

It is if because the reason that they are no longer of use to you is gross misconduct.
How would you like having to pay someone £1.5m to do something but they were unable to do because they went and out and did something stupid because they were pissed up?
And as far as I am aware, the body that ruled in Keoghs favour are not specilalists in employment law.

I try and keep things as fair and balanced as I can, as I always do when it comes to Derby County, but tonight was completely symptomatic of where we are at as a club.
Mel, you've been a decent custodian for a number of the years that you have been our owner. It can't have been easy trying to compete with parachute payments and the like and trying to chase the dream with thousands of baying Derby fans full of ambition on your back. I get that. But tonight is a major indicator of the total mess we have now been left with as a club with the unorthodox methods you have employed to try and gain these advantages. Derby fans deserve some finality to the current issues and need to move on to save the club from the inevitable major decline approaching.
You simply can't expect a squad of mostly kids bolstered by some ageing free agents to compete in the toughest league in the world. By trying to plot and work around the financial fair play rules (as flimsy and pathetic as they may be) you have led this great club into an untenable position at the moment. Squad depth is non-existent and in the odd case that we can stay competitive in games our lack of options shines through when the going gets tough in the 75th minute. It is completely unfair on Wayne Rooney and his staff to be left in this position, and completely unfair on the players who have stuck by and are currently fighting for Derby County Football Club.
I understand I will personally never be in the position to walk away from a multi-million pound business so can't imagine the problems this would pose, and I have no doubts that you are doing what you can to keep things afloat, but with the club being a proud institution of Derbyshire, it's so heart-breaking to see that things are going the way they are because of what I feel are personal battles and arguments with members of the EFL board.
To the people of this forum, how much longer can things go on the way they are going without being challenged? We are dying by a thousands cuts in the hope that we may avoid a points deduction and stay up again by the skin of our teeth. In reality, every game that goes by is forcing a points deduction on us whether we like it or not. We can't keep trying to tread water like we are.

When you sell anything that can be sold and are left with a team that's not good enough.
When your blocked by idiots at the efl from bringing in new players.
Welcome to the rest of the season ...

On Mel Morris: 
When he sold Candy Crush in 2015, he became immensely cash rich as per the above. Whilst I do believe he has lost an uncomfortable amount of personal fortune in owning Derby County, in which time he has looked to spend above the means of the competition rules of his own volition. It would still make him an immensely rich person, who has absolutely no excuse for running the club as badly as he currently is. 
What I would say to him, given half the chance, is clean up your own mess. The cutting of corners is doing nothing but to agitate fans and to downtools as significantly as he has, i.e. not pay the HMRC or other clubs, not to mention the fiasco with the ticket office, is absolutely inexcusable.  
If he can get the club stable again, which isn't going to cost the world, and away from the 'crisis club' narrative then it will become a lot more attractive to potential buyers - real potential buyers and not blokes who know how to steal videos from TikTok or look fancy in a big white robe. 

Is it really any bodies fault? I thought paying in instalments was quite common and no one could have foreseen the pandemic and resultant impact on revenue.

Mel should have known what was going on, so no excuses for him

Sounds like classic bullying.
We won't have done anything that justifies anywhere close to a 12 point deduction, we don't believe that we've even done anything to justify 3, but they'll use 'aggravating factors' and their position to trump up the potential punishment, like your stereotypical bully might start adding extra threats if their victim questions why they've been targeted, answers back and doesn't immediately hand over their pocket money.
Give us your mobile phone. What do you mean no? Give us your mobile phone or else we'll steal your shoes, put them on our own feet and kick you in the goolies, take them off, beat you around the head with them and then string them up on the nearest telephone line. 
...or I suppose we could let you off with whatever money you've got in your wallet and your lunch, but we'll be back tomorrow and we'll do this all over again. What's it gonna be?

All of our defenders performed admirably, and their advancing years haven't harmed them severely yet.
Due to the ageing effect, any new owners would be need to completely rebuild the defence the next season at their age.
I'm afraid that derbies lack a goal threat; if you look at Baldock, at 32, I wonder who believes he can suddenly improve or that he will score a respectable of goals this season at his age?
A reasonable number of goals for him this season would be ten, making him no better than Lawrence.
Baldock does appear to have a genuine passion for the game, which is a plus.
 

Boro game is a tough one. There lost tonight to QPR 3-2 !!!!

No point signing Baldock, when we've got kids who can play that role at half the price.

See whilst I'm against his signing... I actually think the plan was to set up this season with Baldock leading the line based on pre-season. Tactically we've gone into this season with at least partly an idea to try whatever we can to get the most out of Lawrence and it's very possible Rooney figured it would suit Lawrence better to have somebody stretch the space out in front of him/someone to run in behind when Lawrence drops deep.

Baldock adds depth simple as that

The thing with Baldock is I'm not convinced he really solves anything. His goal record is poor, his legs aren't what they used to be and I feel like Stretton can play that role whilst being more clinical. Personally I'd rather play Stretton over him and frankly Lawrence as a false 9.
However if CKR is basically going to be out for a huge amount of time and we really don't think we can get literally anybody else then needs must I suppose purely for numbers.