LeedsRam1999

Hasn't Forsyth had 3 ACL injuries?

I spend a lot of time reading these pages but don't often contribute much so bear with me!
One thing I think we would all agree on is that the club is in a mess and we were very lucky to survive last season. I don't think there's anyone that thinks this season will be any easier. 
The EFL in my opinion clearly have an agenda to make this season as difficult as possible for Derby. We are certainly not shopping in the same stores that we used to, in terms of player recruitment and this can be seen by the out of contract players currently training with us.
Now this is where I think we as fans can make a difference. I am becoming more and more frustrated when I read negative comments, especially about players who haven't even kicked a ball yet. For example....
Jagielka was an established premier League defender and with some younger legs around him, COULD become a quality signing.
Ravel Morrison has bags of ability and MAY have matured. The highlight reels certainly show there is a player that has an awful lot to offer if his head's in the right place.
Tom Lawrence has definitely been inconsistent. He has also had a drink problem, lost his mum and suffered personal issues not to mention Joiner Gate! BUT....he has bags of ability and giving him the captaincy could just be the kick up the bum he needs. 
These examples could easily be turned from possible positives to negatives.
However I can tell you one thing that is absolutely guaranteed .....and that is that we have the best possible chance of success If we get fully behind the team, remain positive and come together against those trying to knock us down such as the EFL, some other clubs, managers and chairmen.
I'm sick to death of reading negative comments from some who seem to think that we're entitled to success or think it's fine to boo etc as they've 'paid their money '. 
We've been in the second flight for a long time now and in my opinion never closer to dropping down another level.
So would you rather be positive and effectively become the 12th Man or be negative and add to the problem? ...and by the way I don't mean moaning that we've not played well. That's part of football and being a supporter. I mean almost personal attacks on players, management and chairman.
Be interested to hear people's views but really feel that if we can create some positivity we may just scrape by this season and give us a chance to move on again in a year's time. ...waffle over!

 
 
 

Given that half the posters on this forum, including the two Forest fans, would've taken more points than Wayne from our last 15 games, your appeal to authority rings somewhat hollow.

I've had a thought. Stick with me on this one as it may seem far fetched.
What about letting Rooney watch him in training, see how he behaves, speak to previous managers and make a decision. 
As fans we could judge him if and when he plays.   

Delighted for Tom. Good luck skipper
When you are young you make mistakes but I reckon regardless of anything that has gone before  Tom is a committed hard working player of some considerable skill. I think this could be the sort of decision that will help his self belief hugely. Here’s hoping it will help you reach the potential you have. 
 
Tom .. this is your moment ?

Mel using a loophole ? Behave yourself. ?

Its an interesting one but I do think players like Davies, Shinnie & CKR dont need an armband to be leaders.
This could be a really good thing for Lawrence. I felt when he returned from injury he looked to take on the responsibility of being our main attacking threat & stepped up to the plate at a crucial time of the season. Maybe he is a players who thrives off responsibility. He doesnt need to be someone who screams & shouts but he can lead by example on the pitch & he certainly has the quality to do it. 
People say alot about his attitude on the pitch but I think thats just how he comes across, he doesnt get enough credit for his workrate and the defensive side to his game. He also clearly has the respect of the other lads.

Although I agree with the sentiment, we are in this mess STILL because the EFL have dragged our case out for so long that we haven't been able to operate normally for several seasons now. Yes, we brought things on our selves for our methodology but with original agreement from them. We have been under some sort of embargo for years. We have been unable to sign even free agents early in transfer windows because of this. We are reduced to signing players like CKR and Ravel Morrison because we aren't allowed to compete for others. Up until now we have been given "regrettably" a £100k slap on the wrist. If, and it's a big if, we fall within FFP for all seasons under review we will have been under embargo without reason for all those years.
Yes, I know that we have embargoes in place for not paying transfer instalments and HMRC, but there will be many clubs with cash flow problems under current conditions. Maybe if we had been allowed to operate normally for all these seasons we would have been promoted and could have payed off everybody with money to spare. We have suffered greatly because of the EFL. Mitigating circumstances will not be considered by the EFL if we do fail FFP, they'll hit us as hard as they can when they have already been hitting us for several seasons.
Any way, Ravel Morrison. I've heard his name before, so he's a yes from me.

Yes we are! - and the sooner some of our self-entitled fans wake up to that the better. The EFL have us by the short and curlies and are determined to make us suffer for as long as possible - our ONLY option is to take a punt on players we'd normally ignore. The alternative is to accept relegation before we've even kicked a ball.....

One of the areas we have holes is midfield. Yes, we have a real talent in Bielik...but he's injured, we have Shinnie and Knight. Yes you may like to add the untried Watson to that group and Sibley / Lawrence....both for me more No.10's. Joz again more of a wide player. So for me we are light in quality in that area. Morrison may turn out to not make it here but I'd say that in there that there's a player that can do a job in the Championship. We cant sign any players involving a fee and we also cant sign players who want high wages....so really we're stuck in the bargain basement aren't we....so for anyone to write off players (as they do on here) before they've even kicked a ball - to me seems crazy. If the Manager has faith in them and signs them on then surely we have to support them. I think many posters on here would rather see us relegated then take on players that they dont see fit to wear the shirt. Make no mistake - another season of struggle awaits us....its all hands to the pump. I dont see any problem with the players Rooney has brought in during the close season. Are they likely to get us promotion - no....are they likely to keep us out of the bottom 3 ...maybe.

Oh hang on a minute... reading it again I think it means Andre Wisdom's brother has confirmed that Andre is training with us. Yeah that's it ? Soz for getting hopes up. 

No way I'd be letting Jason go for £5 mill. We've not been relegated so the vultures can either stump up some decent cash or he stays with us. Frankly, given the fact he came through the academy so cost us fook all and won't be on a fat contract either, I'd be telling Brighton and anyone else to jog on unless they make a silly offer. Some of our young lads have just come through an absolute baptism of fire and I'd expect them to be far stronger players for it with that experience under their belts, assuming Wazza decides to play them to their strengths this time around.

I would keep Sibbo, sell Knight and Buchanan if we have to..

The only one I would take is Reach.
The others are either too old or we have better or as good as already on lower wages.

Not sure I believe the part about Mel selling up quick means a smaller deduction. That would prove that the EFL have been vindictive in their pursuit of us and surely would spell the end of a lot of people in a lot of jobs. And we would be able to sue them? Correct me if I’m wrong? 

We were living beyond our means pre-pandemic as nearly all football clubs do. No one plans for a global pandemic, what’s our revenue been in the last 12 months given we don’t have parachute payments? All our main revenue streams with exception of TV have disappeared. Where else is the cash going to come from except loans or Mel’s pocket?! I don’t know what people expect. Rolls-Royce lost £2bn last year, generated liquidity by a share issue and taking out loans and is taking other cost cutting measures.  It’s been mentioned that at least 10 other championship clubs are struggling, it’s just we’re the only ones under scrutiny due to FFP, trying to sell the club and the fact Wayne Rooney is also at the club - we are news.
Reality is probably not as bad as the Daily Mail reporter is making out (he is the guy Newcastle banned from press conferences by the way due to his brand of negative sensationalism and the fact he goes about it like a complete Bamford). I don’t get the £20m HMRC bit for a start, seems from Mel’s comments that due to extensions that many clubs have been granted. 
Nevertheless it isn’t good, key is whether Mel can or is willing to underwrite at least some of the debt.  I agree buyers are not going to want to take that on. 
 
I think he needs to start levelling with us about the future.

...and which we will undoubtedly drop on the way home!

Ruben Waghorn 

No doubt that the North East correspondent and author  of the Daily Fail article is being fed snippets , encouraged by a local embittered owner with an axe to grind 

So it’s not all bad news then. 

When are the club going to start selling season tickets? I need to get mine renewed before the glory hunters turn up.

I know you should never look at concept kits because we just end up inevitably disappointed but I just came across these... How awesome are they? 

Really?