Raich Carter

Based on the restrictions on us when he signed and his willingness to sign in that position, i think he is underrated and an excellent signing. We were hardly going to get Messi

No need to waste money when you have all the expertise you need on here.

They are, when you negotiate a contract, if you put in clause specifying what is to be delivered then you can hold them up to it. 

I've seen us in the third division before - and it was great fun. I've reached the stage where I don't mind what level we play at. OK, I've stopped attending matches, but that's not because we're rubbish - it's because I'm pretty disgusted with the behaviour of some fans - including ours.

Dirty filthy Brummies, they will target our youngsters and get away with murder unless the ref is strong.
And their fans are very close to Stoke and Leeds for pure horribleness, loud mouthed Jasper Carrots the lot of em. We've got some over here in Utch from the Brum slum clearances of the 1960's. The only time you ever see a brum shirt is if they fluke a win over the mighty Rams.
Dunt bother me though.....?

Schrödinger's Transgression

What was the point of having a supporters meeting asking attendees to elicit questions from the fan base safe in the knowledge that the information imparted during that meeting was never going to be able to be shared with the wider supporters?

Very true. And clubs like ours are also less than perfect...
I think Rooney fancies himself to handle difficult characters (having been one and having been around lots!) so he might take a chance on some of them. I quite like the excitement of taking a chance on the odd random. Some of us remember Taribo West where it was 50/50 as to whether he'd physically turn-up!

How blinkered are our fans that people are even questioning it. He's stamped on the man's c**k, it's a blatant red! ?
Incidentally it's also the best thing he's ever done in a Derby shirt. 

Do we get our stonewall penalties back then?
farce

Very true. And clubs like ours are also less than perfect...
I think Rooney fancies himself to handle difficult characters (having been one and having been around lots!) so he might take a chance on some of them. I quite like the excitement of taking a chance on the odd random. Some of us remember Taribo West where it was 50/50 as to whether he'd physically turn-up!

Exactly. I said the same on the Florist game thread. After all the doom and gloom it was ridiculous how many were kicking off when in reality, given the state we're in, we're lucky to actually have a starting 11 and a full bench! Some Derby fans need a serious reality check I'm afraid.
Let's be clear (ohh I sounded a bit Tony Blair there) ; this season is about survival. We're a decent sized club potentially but we don't have any right to be anywhere but where we are. We made some mistakes but luckily, we might be big enough (in terms of fan base) to get out of it eventually.
But some fans really need to get a grip:
Those saying 'we need a 20 goal a season striker' need to get some brains. Every eff'ing club in the world wants/needs a 20 goal a season striker! 
And 'the players on free transfers are all dodgy' - Roberto Baggio, Steve McManaman, Sol Cambell, Pirlo and Ramos were all free eff'ing transfers so it's not as simple as 'they're free, something is wrong with them'. 

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good retort! You’re right, of course. 
 
I did think exactly what you said as I was typing but still, just because they’re out of contract doesn’t necessarily mean they’re poor or trouble. 

Rooney makes up for most of the 'dirty dozen' aspect on his own! 

Exactly. I said the same on the Florist game thread. After all the doom and gloom it was ridiculous how many were kicking off when in reality, given the state we're in, we're lucky to actually have a starting 11 and a full bench! Some Derby fans need a serious reality check I'm afraid.
Let's be clear (ohh I sounded a bit Tony Blair there) ; this season is about survival. We're a decent sized club potentially but we don't have any right to be anywhere but where we are. We made some mistakes but luckily, we might be big enough (in terms of fan base) to get out of it eventually.
But some fans really need to get a grip:
Those saying 'we need a 20 goal a season striker' need to get some brains. Every eff'ing club in the world wants/needs a 20 goal a season striker! 
And 'the players on free transfers are all dodgy' - Roberto Baggio, Steve McManaman, Sol Cambell, Pirlo and Ramos were all free eff'ing transfers so it's not as simple as 'they're free, something is wrong with them'. 

Very true. And clubs like ours are also less than perfect...
I think Rooney fancies himself to handle difficult characters (having been one and having been around lots!) so he might take a chance on some of them. I quite like the excitement of taking a chance on the odd random. Some of us remember Taribo West where it was 50/50 as to whether he'd physically turn-up!

Our team reminds of “Kelly’s heroes” or the “ dirty dozen” … great films for the oldies

Connor Wickham is one of those that has had some fairly big transfers (in terms of £££) over the years but never quite worked out. I think he might be worth a risk... as is Norman IMO. Wilshere - what a player but I'd only take him on a pay-as-you-play deal as he's just had one problem after another but imagine him and Ravel on form... that would be immense (but unlikely, I'll admit).

Very true. And clubs like ours are also less than perfect...
I think Rooney fancies himself to handle difficult characters (having been one and having been around lots!) so he might take a chance on some of them. I quite like the excitement of taking a chance on the odd random. Some of us remember Taribo West where it was 50/50 as to whether he'd physically turn-up!

Very true. And clubs like ours are also less than perfect...
I think Rooney fancies himself to handle difficult characters (having been one and having been around lots!) so he might take a chance on some of them. I quite like the excitement of taking a chance on the odd random. Some of us remember Taribo West where it was 50/50 as to whether he'd physically turn-up!

Knight, Bielik, Colin to come back still ? Three of our best players
Plus at least a couple of  really good prospects ready to come through not available before now
And January window not that far away
We are where we are, nothing we can do about it for now
Except maybe a glass half full attitude 

Under-rated for me. A solid right back who needs games. Really surprised someone else hasn't come in for him.

Under-rated for me. A solid right back who needs games. Really surprised someone else hasn't come in for him.

Totally agree with this one ?

Under-rated for me. A solid right back who needs games. Really surprised someone else hasn't come in for him.