Anon

15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

They could of course televise more womens games and have them commentating on that?

You know a game played at a level that they are familiar with?

Whether the broadcasters are daft are not will be reflected in viewing numbers of course.

I don't agree with this line of argumentation. You don't have to have played the sport to be a good commentator or pundit in my opinion. I'm already fed up at the prospect of listening to ex footballers like Gary Neville, Jamie O'Hara, Chris Sutton, Gabriel Agbonglahor forever more. I quite like the balance provided by someone who didn't play professionally.

Where I do agree is that I don't see how ex female players would have any unique insight into the men's game. Perhaps it doesn't matter, but we'll see when a panel of exclusively male footballers commentate on a women's game, because that will definitely happen right? Seeing as these picks are apparently made on merit without any thought towards hitting diversity quotas. Statistically we will surely see an all male punditry team for a women's game fairly soon. Right?

5 hours ago, TigerTedd said:

It’s weird, it’s like you’re arguing against me, but proving my point at the same time.

a white kid, or a white male kid from a happy family, is statistically more likely to find it easier to find well paid jobs and have a happy successful life.

have you never seen that exercise where they give kids a head start on a race if they meet certain criteria and there’s some poor kids still sat on the start line when some others get a 50m head start.

thats the advantage your kids have. I don’t know you or your kids, maybe there are other reasons that they are disadvantaged, but even if a white kid has dyslexia, for example, they’ll still find life easier than a black kid with dyslexia. There are just generally a lot less barriers in the way for white kids. Maybe it’s not about having an advantage, it’s about not having hurdles to jump over. So a better analogy is two people running 100m, but one has hurdles on his track. It’s no fault of the other person, but it’s clearly not fair.

yes, if your white male kid goes for a job as a football pundit, and they’re up against a black female candidate, and they’re equal in every way, but the company needs to tick a box, your kid might miss out. That’s just a fact of redressing the balance. As I explained with the scales, there has to be some disproportionate representation to enable minorities to catch up. As with many things, past generations have screwed it up for our kids. It’s not a perfect situation. But if you were a black family, or if one of your kids comes out as transgender in the future, wouldn’t you fight tooth and nail to allow them to have the same opportunities as anyone else?

There doesn’t need to be campaigns for representation down coal mines, the point is to enable kids to aspire to anything they want to be. Imagine if there was a campaign that said ‘if you work really hard, maybe you can aspire to be a dust man’ (no offence to dust men). Lower paid jobs and manual labour are already open to all, ahead of their time really. Probably over represented by minorities. That’s specifically the imbalance that needs to be redressed. 

I couldn't disagree more with the points you've made in this thread. You don't fix or atone for racism with more racism. You have a generation growing up in this country who have been taught and (mostly) believed that everyone should be treated equally and judged as individuals, yet now they've had the rug pulled from under them because older generations feel guilty about how they previously behaved. For any older people who feel like they've been disproportionately advantaged in their lives I suggest you give away your house(s) and your money to minorities, rather than blithely stymie the career prospects of your children/grandchildren.

12 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

personally, I don't think that this spell at Birmingham proves Rooney isn't capable of being a decent manager. I do think however that he needs to find a better fit next time he gets a chance, assuming he will. Birmingham had a squad of pragmatic grafters and very little skill.

It amuses me to see the same posters who made numerous excuses for Nigel Clough's struggles are finding it so easy to dismiss Rooney's credentials. 

I don't believe Rooney has managed so spend a penny on players in English football.

It may transpire he's useless, but we've seen managers do equally as bad early in their careers then go on to better things.

Clough's struggles? The struggle of consistently finishing mid-table? It's laughable that you'd even try to make the comparison. I appreciate they walked into very different situations at Derby, but all I've heard about Rooney since he usurped Cocu is excuses. You can't criticise him because we were bottom of the league when he took over. You can't criticise him because the players aren't being paid on time. You can't criticise him because of the points deduction. So now he's had a chance to prove what he can do at a club without all those issues, and he proved to be even worse than he was here. And the excuse now, he's not been afforded the ability to waste loads of money. Will Rooney's shockingly poor managerial record ever be his fault?

43 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

“13 weeks was not sufficient to oversee the changes”. I don’t get it, what changes needed to be made. They were 6th.

You just go in and say ‘what did you do last week? Brilliant, do the same again this week, I’ll be in my office if anyone needs me.” Easy.

the definition of ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’.

It's not that simple though. If he'd done that those players would be left wondering why the guy that had got them playing that way had been binned. Rooney was in a tough situation because I think 6th was a false position and there's no way Brum could've maintained that, but he only has himself to blame. No one forced him to take the job. No one forced him to elbow Eustace out of the way and take on unrealistic expectations. He's been deservedly punished for his hubris.

1 hour ago, KnowledgeisPorridge said:

Just no need to overthink it.

Queen - We Will Rock You (BBG style). Done.

And for the love of god, I'd rather have silence than Mr Brightside. 

Not keen on Queen to be honest, but I wish I could give more likes for you pointing out that The Killers suck donkey nuts.

Just now, ariotofmyown said:

He was sacked earlier.

Cheers. I'd had this comment saved from earlier. It's edited now.

By sacking him they only highlight how clueless and deluded they were to appoint him in the first place. Anyone with a functioning brain could look at his first season here to see what Rooney was capable of with an average championship team, a relegation battle.

Personally I like Steve Bloomer's Watching. I agree with many of the problems you've highlighted with the song, but I like that we have our own song about club legend rather than recycling other clubs' chants or crap pop songs. The idea that a f****** U2 guitar riff of all things would inspire or intimidate anyone is unbelievably quaint.

On 30/12/2023 at 15:38, Crewton said:

4 years to get all the way to get to a Championship play-off battle is probably not what he had in mind though I'm sure. Most footballers want to be lauded for their achievements too, though obviously some do simply want to earn as much as possible, that's true.

Going to Man City was the sensible move. You'd be crazy to turn it down. Delap's done ok, but let's say worst case scenario in that the player doesn't continue to develop and even goes backwards. They'll still get more opportunities, better loans, more offers upon their release if they're coming from a top Premier League club. Tom Carroll for instance has coasted his entire career on being good in Spurs' youth team. If he'd been the exact same player, but a product of a league 1 academy, he'd be non league by now.

What rankles is the way those top clubs put pressure on the football league to revamp the tribunal system so they could pillage young talent on the cheap before they can be signed to a pro contract. Even more annoyingly those same managers who hoover up all these young players are incessantly whinging about the number of games, yet barely ever use the talent they hoard in their reserves.

I try to forget that this guy ever played for us. He was one of Clough's worst transfers and he came on a free.

On 19/12/2023 at 19:35, Ewe Ram said:

Mama Mia - the very thought makes me nauseous. I hate Abba with a passion. 
The Greatest Showman - just sounds like it will be awful 

I agree Abba are rubbish. It's not just because it's Abba though. I dislike all musicals where they awkwardly shoehorn a plot around a group of songs that were never intended to have a connected narrative. I like the Proclaimers, but the film Sunshine on Leith is crap. It's just so lazy and pointless. If I like a band or an artist I want to hear them performing their own work, rather than a load of b list actors doing karaoke versions of the songs.

My 6 would've been;

Mason Greenwood

Joey Barton

Toni Minichiello

Ivan Toney

John Yems

Chijindu Ujah

9 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

What box does Paddy McGinnis tick?

Disability.

Is that away at Newcastle in 2007?

We deserved a win. Viduka spared Newcastle's blushes with a late equaliser. I often wonder if we'd picked up the three points here, plus a deserved point from Liverpool, whether Jewell would've gone quite so crazy with his desperate January transfers.

26 minutes ago, Alpha said:

There's so many films I've not seen all the way through but they're inappropriate to name. 

You're missing out on some crucial character development. Some of the plot twists leave you on the edge of your seat. I'm pretty sure that's where the term edging comes from.

All of the Godfather films.

It's an odd decision. Having said that you could just as easily frame it as the owners appointing a guy who led Sheffield United to a 9th place finish.

I hope Wilder does well. Pissing pube head gibson's money up the wall and leaving the sanctimonious smoggy Bamfords in the relegation zone particularly endeared him to me.

Being a certified imbecile is kind of a disability.

2 hours ago, Anon said:

Sheffield United 1995?

My dad isn't a Derby fan, but he took me to this game and developed what can only be described as a man crush on Ron Willems.

Sheffield United 1995?

1 hour ago, Comrade 86 said:

Is the consensus that it was deliberate foul play? I can't actually believe that the player would try to maim someone, so was it just a nasty challenge that went horribly wrong and has the guy in question got previous for such things?

So sad that a young athlete loses his life like this. Can't actually bring myself to watch the video.

It's very difficult to judge the consensus for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the footage for anyone who doesn't watch hockey looks awful. If you don't understand hockey it looks like Petgrave makes a beeline for Johnson and karate kicks him in the neck. This, along with the nature of online discourse has polarised discussion. There are people who think it's horrific that the authorities would even investigate and there are people who think Petgrave should be tried for murder, never mind manslaughter. Second, many of the more balanced forums have banned discussion both due to the emotive nature of the incident and the fact that there's an ongoing police investigation.

No way was Petgrave trying to maim Johnson, but I do think it's the correct decision to properly investigate. Petgrave is a goon. He's had disciplinary issues in numerous leagues, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything since this is a legitimate role in hockey and pen minutes/suspensions are expected. There is footage of Petgrave leading with the knee in other challenges. I think it will be extremely difficult to prove recklessness or criminal negligence. Not the same sport, but if Kevin Muscat was never criminally charged I think they will have to dig up a crazy amount of footage to establish a pattern of behaviour for Petgrave.

20 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

I don't understand why someone would watch a clip where they know someone dies.

Because it's interesting, and because we'd have no business commenting on the challenge if we hadn't watched it.

For what it's worth Johnson comes out of the footage looking like a hero. He doesn't panic and immediately skates across to the bench, giving himself the best possible chance of survival in the circumstances.

14 hours ago, Stockport Ram said:

I have seen the footage of the incident. It is horrific.

I have never been to a professional ice hockey game nor do I watch Ice hockey, but for those on the forum who are fans, can you tell me if that sort of challenge (foot to the head region) is common and “accepted” in the game please? 

No, it isn't common. Skates will rarely get up that high. Normally when they do it's a result of a player being sent flying by a check. Every player understands that everyone is skating around with deadly weapons on their feet and it's possible to lose control of your body when skating at speed. Having said that, I don't fully understand why the leg gets raised in this instance. The clip that causes the defensive player to lose control seems pretty innocuous, but momentum does weird things to the body.

It's also that the BJP have tied themselves very closely with India's national sport. Not that it's particularly unique, most nations use sport for propaganda, but it's funny seeing Modi get a bloody nose by being forced to watch India lose in the giant stadium he had built in his home town and named after himself.

3 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

I make no apologies for considering someone a goodie for not letting racists, white supremacists and misogynists post whatever they like on their website

I mean really you're implying that you think that makes them baddies because you love racists, white supremacists and misogynists? Sorry if I've misinterpreted your weasely post 

I don't pay any attention when you brand something racist because it lost all meaning long ago. You're the type of person who would claim the moon was racist if the tide was in when you went to the beach.