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7 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:
And yet you knew exactly what I meant.
So my point was a valid one then?
Did I quote you or refer to you in any direct or indirect manner? I wasn't even talking to you 😂
I was initially confused. I had to go and find the arguments in the Cashin thread you were referring to.
Your point is valid if you can find instances of the same people praising the proposed Cashin deal and baulking at this one. (I'm not claiming there aren't any) We aren't a hive mind.
Who were you talking to? Derby fans in general is a bit too broad of a group, especially if you're trying to make a point about hypocrisy.
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Just now, Comrade 86 said:
At first I thought you were trying to be funny 😂
You're asking us to defend an argument that we haven't made. It's hardly surprising that McMuffin is somewhat nonplussed.
I did go back and check the Cashin thread and I can see that there are people who claimed that a 4 million sale and loan back would've been a good option with Cashin. That wasn't my opinion. It's a bit unfair to assume we'd know what you meant without at least quoting someone from that thread.
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1 minute ago, Sparkle said:
Well Chris Martin has found it easy enough in league one and he can’t run around
this would be another gamble on a very injury prone player but if his contract was terminated by mutual consent he wants to play somewhere
Martin is a bad example here because he never could run around. Gayle was a pace merchant. He would need to significantly adjust his game if his legs have gone.
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It feels a bit tinpot doing the loan back thing. I don't blame Bird for leaving, but if he wants to go we should've just taken the money and worked with our other options in midfield. I'm a Derby fan, not a Max Bird fan, so I couldn't care less what he does or how he develops in his career from now on. That's his and Bristol City's business now. In my opinion he should be held to higher standards for the remainder of his time here as there is no longer any argument to be made that we're developing him for our own benefit.
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23 hours ago, S8TY said:
I remember the Dickinson transfer at 750K , it was a gamble and always thought how bad he must've looked in training to never get a chance ...wow ...
A Paul Jewell special of a signing. He paid 750k and then immediately sent him out on loan to "gain more experience". If he didn't have the experience required to play in the Championship, why did we pay 3 quarters of a million for him? Also, the loan was to Jewell's mate Stan Ternent at Huddersfield.
Clough took one look at Dickinson and (correctly) identified that he was not and never would be a Championship level player. I also suspect he was ignored by Clough due to the cost cutting remit. I wouldn't be surprised if Jewell had given Dickinson a relatively high wage.
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A/ Which signing did you not like or was keen on but turned into a great signing in your opinion ?
I thought we'd spaffed money up the wall on Vydra. He came good after a slow start and we made a profit on the sale.
B/ Which signing did you want so much yet turned out to be not so great ?
George Thorne. No blame attributed to anyone, just bad luck. I didn't care how much West Brom squeezed out of us, I was absolutely convinced he would be a superstar.
C/ who pound for pound for what we paid has been our best value for money signing ?
Stefano Eranio on a free.
D/ who has been the worst waste of money
Liam Dickinson is worth a shout here. Not massively expensive at £750,000, but never played a single minute of football for us.
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Do these include loan players?
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Were people dismayed with the Beck signing when it happened or was it only once we'd seen him play that it really sunk in? I swear I remember him being a joke even before we signed him, but looking back, his record for Boro isn't terrible and he seems quite popular with their fans. Although that's hardly a ringing endorsement, seeing as they're all desperate to rim the pube-headed one.
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I don't want to be too negative. I can see what England are trying in picking young spinners to develop in the national set up. Wonderful batting from Jaiswal.
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9 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:
Caught a few highlights earlier and there was a match covered by BBC 3... Zambia vs Morocco.
But what a poor looking tournament. Reminded me of a world cup c 1982. Sparse crowds, low excitement, cagey football.
Then I saw that it's held every 2 years, not 4. Why is that?
Money, and to make idiotic Premier League managers cry about losing players even though they are well aware that AFCON is held every two years when they choose to sign African players.
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11 hours ago, The_Sheriff said:
Their left back is trending due to a video trending of him French kissing with his dog.
Genuinely
That's Miss Nottingham 2023.
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Deeney's biggest problem is his massive ego. Plenty of managers dish out scathing attacks on underperforming players, but it's kept in the dressing room. Deeney did it publicly because he absolutely had to let everyone know that his awful performance as a manager was the players' fault and not his own. He can't even claim that their poor play and poor attitude came as a shock. He's been playing for them all season, so he knew exactly what he was dealing with, chose to take the job anyway, and then started whinging immediately.
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Some views from the ambulance chaser fanbase
"A truly dreadful signing. A 37 year old who had just gone through a massive operation following that stupid drunk driving incident. He hadn’t played regular football in years. He’s thick as mince judging by his interviews. Has to be one of the worst signings in recent history, which is even more grating because it was so predictable."
I think Richard's interviews were just too cerebral for this person, like you say. I also wonder how this poster missed the 4 years and 80 league appearances between Alfie's car accident and his signing for Wycombe.
"Probably the right thing, it just seemed a season too far.
Sad it didn't work out for him though, I met him at the season ticket refund waiver day (rolls off the tongue that) over the summer and had a long chat with him. Seemed like a really nice bloke, intelligent too (that's for the idiot above who described him as "thick as mince"). Was really good with the kids who were there as well, as were all the players.
Good luck for the future Keezy"
Obviously 'Keezy's' alt account. More subtlety required Richard.
"I know why we signed him, a mentor for Forino and Low and cover. But he didn't work out when on the pitch. I felt he had TOO much influence bizarrely. He seemed to demand the ball short from Max constantly (whether this was a tactic or him) during the dreadful 5 at the back era. We could be a goal down with a minute to play and the tempo would be killed as Max passed it 6 yards to Keogh."
Strong sense of déjà vu here.
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I remember the signing, but I don't think he ever played. Maybe a couple of appearances at most. I wish an ex player could tell us a bit more about his time at Derby. It's always frustrating when these articles pop up because they, understandably, focus on his crimes rather than his brief football career. I can't shake the feeling that he's lying about what he was paid here. He was signed for the development squad, not the first team, whilst GSE were busy cutting costs. He claims to have "become accustomed to a certain lifestyle" as a pro footballer. How? He played for Southend and our reserves. Roots Hall isn't exactly glamorous. I love that he managed to convince Henry's ex that he was a Navy Seal. It'd make a good documentary if a genuine Seal got hold of him. They take a dim view of stolen valour.
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23 hours ago, Anag Ram said:
He was dreadful when he first came to Derby but when he got fitter, he was useful as an irritant. By then, though, he had lost his spark and had to use his ‘experience’ to wind up the opposition.
Was a good player in Leicester’s side.
Savage is a really interesting case. Jewell didn't do his homework and signed Savage to do stuff that even Savage admits he wasn't capable of at his best. Of course Savage could play, you don't make that many PL appearances otherwise, but he was mainly a ball winner and protection for more talented players. Jewell seemed to think he was signing a poundland Pirlo. Maybe it was the hair?
I do appreciate that Savage still had the hunger to take a wage cut and prove himself at Derby. There's plenty of players, like Anya, who would've sat in the reserves and seen out that fat contract.
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14 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:
This t*** has a lot to say on Barcelona. Perhaps he could send them his CV as well..
He can start with this .
Scottish football is so weird. I know most football fans are pretty myopic, but old firm supporters take it to insane levels. Yeah, Joe Worrall is rubbish, but to still be seething about a bad loan spell from 5 years ago to the extent where you devote an, admittedly small, article to him having a bad game in the FA cup third round is unbelievably small minded and petty. Imagine if the DET ran a piece about Kieran Dowell having a bad game for Rangers.
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17 minutes ago, Alty_Ram said:
Just my personal take on things but here goes..
IMHO, TV shows of this nature need an engaging host who can hold the whole programme together and draw useful info and insight from whatever experts are there. Whether you think MoTD has that host is a whole other question, but the presenters ability to hold the show together and head off rambling answers or bizarre rantings is the reason why you have a presenter who needn't be a former professional male footballer. Their maleness is neither going to get me to watch it nor to avoid it, I'd just ask are they any good in the presenter role and if they are then I'll watch it. It's like the chat show host role in many ways.Likewise, commentators largely just describe what they are seeing and provide stats and discuss what options there may be from the bench, much as we do as fans when we discuss key phases of a game. We don't need to be former pros to see when a team has gone on the defensive and is inviting pressure or run out of steam, or whether a team has switched formation due to the latest substitutions. That just needs good knowledge of the teams so you can see that a forward has been withdrawn and an extra defender has come on or whatever. Once again, I'm not overly bothered whether that is a male or female voice but on a very minor and very specific point I have very occasionally observed that at really noisy games where the commentators are embedded with the crowd, that I can sometime hear male commentators more clearly than their female counterparts but that is as likely to be my hearing range as anything else.
The only real role where ex or current pro footballers seem to be relevant to me is as a pundit. Their insight into what might be happening psychologically or tactically or some insight into the nature of the half time team talk might be useful. Based on Sky Sports shows, they are however just as likely to talk out their backsides and pointlessly squabble and contradict each other as offer much useful insight.
In terms of male vs female pundits I'd just want to hear from someone with some relevant insight. If their experience was in the male game from 30 years ago when it was OK for a manager to hurl coffee cups at people then that perhaps may not always have quite the relevant insight that you'd hope for. Likewise, if a female ex pro pundit has never played in front of more than a few thousand fans at most then their take on big game pressures might be less relevant. The women's game is growing though, their top pros are playing in front of bigger crowds, particularly in international tournaments and that is relevant experience in my book.
Whether the balance is right yet, I couldn't really say, but the basic principle is not one that I have an issue with.This is pretty much spot on. Personally I prefer a mix of opinions like you get on some of the radio discussion programs where journalists and ex pros offer their opinions. I couldn't tell you the last time I actually sat through and paid attention to the post match analysis on a TV broadcast. As others in this thread have pointed out, I think the way people consume football coverage has changed with the ready availability of highlights and streams and that's driven some of the changes we see in punditry. Roy Keane's frequent hot takes whilst Micah Richards cackles maniacally in the background aren't just because Roy is a miserable curmudgeon. He's incentivised to create reactionary short form content that will be clipped and shared online.
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I don't know if it's due to less fully trained medical professionals being on hand at that level? The last game I went to, a Halifax player went down near the end of the game and they were so reluctant to move her that the ref ended up blowing full time a few minutes early after agreeing it with both managers. Was Tinsley moved off the playing surface at all until the ambulance arrived?
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I agree with Barton on female ex players moving into commentary, but only in certain roles. In terms of presenters or play by play commentators or match reporters there should be no issue with females in the role since it's been established that first hand experience as a player isn't required to perform this job well. It's a bit different once we get into the colour commentator and post match analysis roles. For better or worse the precedent exists that these roles apparently require first hand experience of having played the game at a certain level. The counter argument made is that the mechanics of the game are the same whether its played by men or women, so an ex female player should be just as capable. But by that logic, aren't the mechanics of the game the same between Premier League and National League (tier 5)? Yet, it would be unthinkable for Sky/ITV/BBC to pack a studio with guys who had only ever played at tier 5 or below.