Anon

1 hour ago, Comrade 86 said:

Ah, the money. Well that's an unsurprising change of tack, isn't it and one that's consistently at the very root of your complaints. The sense that others of lower intellect and ability, have somehow unfairly got more than you. It's a theme that runs through almost every one of your acerbic little diatribes, which have become increasingly bitter and commonplace as the years have gone by. It's a shame, as whilst you're clearly not as clued up as you believe, you're obviously no fool either. Ah well, such is your life. 

As to your question, what has he achieved, well since you ask, precisely what he set out to; that is to illustrate how vacuous a number of those who claim to understand modern art really are. Unwittingly, you've given an example yourself,(I didn't claim to understand modern art)  though typically, your facts are rather muddled, perhaps because you rushed to make the point about the value of the painting, rather than addressing its purpose. For clarity, this painting (Love in the Bin) had already been sold when it self-shredded,(I didn't say it hadn't already been sold) but for £1 million, nowhere near the figure you cite.(I didn't cite a figure for the sale) It was the new 'owner' who then resold it three years later for over £16 million, but it doesn't take a genius to understand that Banksy has no sell-on fee.(I didn't claim he did) That's not how art ownership works. As an aside, and while we're discussing money and not art, the painting Game Changer (see below), also sold for that kind of sum, but in this instance, Banksy had gifted it to the NHS, with the agreement that it could be sold to help fund NHS initiatives, the clue being in the subject matter. In other words, he didn't make a penny from it's sale. And frankly, if he had, a less green-eyed observer might think fair play for relieving fools of far greater net worth of their often not so hard-earned cash. Not you though, obviously. Perhaps if the government you so fervently supported had done a better job with your taxes, he might not have needed to, but doubtless you'll just label that as 'wokeism', or some other such trite, catch-all label of the kind you evidently favour.

For the record, and as it's no longer a secret, so I betray no confidences in saying as much, Banksy, as many folk have know for decades, is Robert Del Naja of Massive Attack fame. He's also a pal of mine and I can assure you, he's not the person you assume him to be. I could bore you with other good works he's undertaken with the monies derived from the sale of his works, but I've learned now that doing so would only elicit another sneery evaluation of someone you've never met and clearly know nothing about (as well as yours truly, no doubt!), so I shan't bother. Instead, I'll simply wish you a pleasant evening and suggest you Google 'Merde d'Artiste', which may or may not inform your understanding of what the establishment refer to as avant garde, or anti-art and it's place in modern art history.

 

I don't think I explained myself very well. I don't have a problem with Banksy getting paid or what art collectors choose to spend their money on. I brought up the sharp increase in the value of the painting to show that the art establishment celebrate pretty much everything Banksy does. Are they really being made to look foolish with this stunt? Nobody was bidding on that piece because of it's beauty, they bid because it's a Banksy. It's still a Banksy after a trip through the shredder. In my opinion, I don't think it was any kind of great revelation to say that modern art collectors will buy any old rubbish as long as it has the right name attached to it in 2021. You referenced Artist's s*** which is decades old. Perhaps Love in the Bin did achieve a goal by bringing this more sharply into focus, I just think the point was already pretty well worn.

There's a quite astonishing amount of strawmanning going on in your reply. You can think whatever you want, but it would be easier if you based your reply on things I've written rather than things you've imagined.

On 19/03/2024 at 14:22, bcnram said:

Maybe everyone else likes those artists for good reason! 🤷🏽

Why scoff at what others like because it doesn’t fit with your preferences?

Maybe. You make a fair point and it's not like those artists are without merit. On the other hand I don't think popularity is always the best metric when valuing a piece of art or media. Why would anyone bother even discussing them otherwise? We would just all agree that Avatar is the pinnacle of cinema and Mrs Brown's Boys is the greatest British comedy ever produced and have done with it. You don't have to agree with my examples, but surely you have certain works of art or pieces of media whose popularity baffles you?

The second point is far easier to respond to. I scoff because I'm a miserable Bamford.

4 hours ago, Comrade 86 said:

Seems to me that a few have rather missed Banksy's point. He has an extremely successful career away from his graffiti exploits and if anything, he's thumbing his nose at the art establishment, not trying to join it.

The fact is, he's an activist, pure and simple and makes no claim whatsoever to being a serious artist. The irony is that those who 'tritely' assess his art using the usual hackneyed metrics, are his targets, not his audience. 

 

It's worthwhile noting that shredding this painting caused it to massively increase in value to 15 times its original price. Is it really thumbing your nose at the art establishment if they celebrate and profit from your work regardless of your intentions? What would you say Banksy achieved here, other than making himself and an art collector extremely wealthy?

Trite rubbish. Personally, I'm not keen on graffiti at all but, leaving that aside, it's just so jejune. If someone were to tell me Banksy was their favourite artist, it would elicit the same response as being told their favourite musician were Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran. "Wow, you must've really thought long and hard about the medium before concluding you like the exact same massively overexposed thing as everyone else."

I just don't care anymore. I don't care who's cheating or who isn't, to what extent they're cheating, or whether the rules are fair. I didn't develop an interest in football because I liked accounting and bureaucracy. Modern football is s***. Fans celebrating accounting tricks and balance sheets, whether in favour of or detrimental to their clubs, is pretty pathetic.

Ben Pringle.

I only know this because I found it pretty funny that Fleetwood sent someone with his complexion to play football in the desert.

10 minutes ago, Srg said:

It's a relatively new facility, not far from Wycombe. They won't be owning another team's training ground, they'll be using it themselves.

Is it really feasible for a club of Wycombe's size to fund the operating costs of a cat 1 academy?

Jimmy McSporran is currently scoring for fun for the Lossiemouth Rocket Snappers. He's an imposing presence at 5'7" and he'd boss it in the Championship. A snip at 10k/week. Jock Stauner at Yoker FC is also worth a look. He's a tough centre mid, known for big tackles and being a no nonsense hard man.

4 minutes ago, cannable said:

First club got me because he made his name at Pompey

Yeah, first club and birth place wasn't any help to me. I don't know where Barham is. I just worked it out from who was playing in our defence that season.

54 minutes ago, admira said:

40.

Place of birth: Barham

Signed for Derby: 2019

First club: Ipswich Town

Last club: Middlesbrough

Position: DF

Full caps: 0

Fun fact: Has been a club player of the year 4 times.

Matt Clarke

Warnock looks delighted. Good to see him getting into the spirit of the Scottish game.

On 19/02/2024 at 15:18, BaaLocks said:

Stewart Lee: usually love him but he was in a particulalry truculent mood and lost the room a bit (his whole thing was that it was a spillover gig, sold out the first night so put a second one on, and all the people in the audience were people who weren't really that bothered to make sure they got a ticket). Still a cracking night out but maybe not the best night I've seen him deliver

It's interesting to see someone else mention this. I've seen Lee many times through the years, but his last show was the weakest material I've seen him perform since his very early days. Truculent is an excellent descriptor and I was left with a similar impression, but you can never be certain whether it's intentional since the character "Stewart Lee" is truculent by design. Is he still using the "this side of the room doesn't get it" schtick to increase audience engagement? I have to admit I'm getting pretty tired of that now. He's worked it into every show for nearly 2 decades and that seems an odd crutch for someone I always admired for his innovation. Maybe I should take a brake from his stuff for a few years, or maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy (like Stew).

13 hours ago, Srg said:

Unlikely. The backlash over his racism would be too much. 

Although I find the idea laughable, you couldn't rule it out. It would be the usual scenario where 99% of people don't care, but a few terminally online sad acts endeavour to have him cancelled.

I have to admit it is something I'd seek clarification on in the interview. I wouldn't want to miss out on the next Virgil Van Dyke because my manager thinks black lads can't defend. I also wouldn't want to miss out on decades of experience at the highest level and a potentially great manager because of a single stupid comment made years ago.

4 hours ago, oodledoodle said:

They were leaving after 15 mins.

We only booed after the final whistle on the last game of the season. Once it was all over. Before that, the team had our full support. They were just awful players at that level, not really their own fault. Just put in a situation where they were massively out of their depth. And that's why we supported them.

It really was, weirdly, one of the most fun seasons I remember.

I really hate that Reading game. What you say about the rest of the season is absolutely correct. We'd adjusted our expectations for the season so many times, from can we stay up? > can we compete? > can we get 16 points? > can we at least see something to be positive about for next season? That's where we were going into the Reading fixture. If we'd somehow got a win or at least shown some fight in that game, I guarantee the players would've been applauded despite an abject season. We got nothing and were obliterated by a poor Reading side who would be joining us in the Championship. It was the moment we all had to accept that not only had we been s*** in the Premier League, but we were going to be s*** in the Championship.

1 hour ago, admira said:

35.

Place of birth: Akranes

Signed for Derby: 2001

First club: KA Akureyr

Last club: ÍA Akranes

Position: MF / F

Full caps: 58

Fun fact: He retired in 2008 to take up politics

 

I think Akranes is in Iceland, so Thordur Gudjonsson. As far as I know, he remains the only Mörlandar to ever play for us.

"Leeds fan who fell from Stamford Bridge upper tier is banned football hooligan who was jailed for punching Sheffield Wednesday goalkeeper Chris Kirkland in 2012"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13142753/Leeds-fan-fell-Stamford-Bridge-football-hooligan-jailed-punching-Sheffield-Wednesday-goalkeeper-Chris-Kirkland-2012-Aaron-Cawley-33-recovers-hospital.html

Now, I really hope the steward sues him.

Limbs innit mate.

It's a stupid trend and this is what it leads to. I hope the steward he fell on sues him.

Useful idiots falling over themselves to have government and corporations regulate speech.

If anybody breaks any laws with their comments, then I hope police can find them an prosecute them. Otherwise, I don't care if someone gets upset about mean comments on the internet.

Lee Carsley

I'm not a fan of England's hyper aggressive style. This test was obviously an embarrassment, but in all honesty we've already exceeded my expectations for an India tour. I'm not expecting a win in Ranchi, but we have to be more competitive. I just wish certain players would think before running their mouths. Ben Duckett is rightly getting ripped to shreds for his idiotic comments during this test. Confidence and positivity aren't bad things, but neither are respect and humility.

We sold him due to his bad pissing and tickling.

I'm guessing French. Too early for Grenet. Lillian Martin?

47 minutes ago, admira said:

21.

Place of birth: Rijkevoort

Signed for Derby: 2014

First club: Nuneaton Town

Last club: Aberdeen

Position: GK

Full caps: 0

Fun fact: His wife also plays football

Kelle Roos.

Fun fact: He suffers from a rare condition that means he's unable to extend his arms above head height.

I thought the same after watching the goals. I have no idea what they're crying about with the 2nd. I doubt Roos will be Warnock's cup of tea, so he won't last much longer.

By the way, anyone who thinks we're too negative on here should go and read some threads on the Aberdeen forum. I think I'd be miserable too if I had to watch the SPL every week, but I feel like asking for a welfare check on some of the posters on there.

5 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

Only because of the class system

I would genuinely watch it, if all the pundits were real grass roots folk and not just celebrity morons

That's a valid argument. I've said previously in this thread that I rarely pay any attention to punditry because it's saturated with boring ex pros. My problem is that the TV executives think they're solving an issue by replacing boring male ex pros with boring female ex pros.

Surely it's more an old boys network, rather than a class system though? I'd have a hard time arguing that Rio Ferdinand is a blue blood.