May Contain Nuts Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, InstaRam said: That Morgan W in Plymouth looks ok. Got a spare £20m? Edited February 15 by May Contain Nuts jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimtastic56 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, May Contain Nuts said: Got a spare £20m? Whitaker is joint top scorer in the Championship and Plymouth have priced him up at £16 mill. It just shows - you have to be patient with these young lads . I hope we have a sell -on clause for Bird . Abu Derby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said: Whitaker is joint top scorer in the Championship and Plymouth have priced him up at £16 mill. It just shows - you have to be patient with these young lads . I hope we have a sell -on clause for Bird . It also has to be the right environment for some players to thrive. We nurtured Morgan over a few seasons but playing at the upper end of Champ meant his opportunities were limited. Also didn’t pull up any trees at Swansea. Plymouth has built him up and taken him to a good level, but it helps them playing him at an appropriate league 1 level. Ironically, if he had stayed he could have played well for us! jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 38 minutes ago, r4derby said: It also has to be the right environment for some players to thrive. We nurtured Morgan over a few seasons but playing at the upper end of Champ meant his opportunities were limited. Also didn’t pull up any trees at Swansea. Plymouth has built him up and taken him to a good level, but it helps them playing him at an appropriate league 1 level. Ironically, if he had stayed he could have played well for us! Helps if your gaffer doesn't humiliate you and then throw you under the bus for good measure. It was clear for all to see that the lad had ability, least for those who cared to look, but at the same time, the club were under the cosh financially speaking and with Rooney's assessment clear, a decision was made. Bad times, hopefully never to be repeated. Premier ram, IlsonDerby, oodledoodle and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, r4derby said: It also has to be the right environment for some players to thrive. We nurtured Morgan over a few seasons but playing at the upper end of Champ meant his opportunities were limited. Also didn’t pull up any trees at Swansea. Plymouth has built him up and taken him to a good level, but it helps them playing him at an appropriate league 1 level. Ironically, if he had stayed he could have played well for us! His debut season was under Cocu when we finished midtable. A manager who could spot potential but also know the best way to integrate him into the first team - hence why he only got 2 league starts under him and averaged just 21 minutes in his 19 other league apps. Then Rooney became manager at the start of season 2. He got 4 sub apps under Rooney, the last of which saw him subbed off after being a 1st half sub. 1 month later he was sold. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: His debut season was under Cocu when we finished midtable. A manager who could spot potential but also know the best way to integrate him into the first team - hence why he only got 2 league starts under him and averaged just 21 minutes in his 19 other league apps. Then Rooney became manager at the start of season 2. He got 4 sub apps under Rooney, the last of which saw him subbed off after being a 1st half sub. 1 month later he was sold. Rooney set Louie Sibley back years too, by removing the aggression from him. jimtastic56, CBRammette and Ghost of Clough 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 In memory of B4..... I reckon when Klopp leaves Liverpool at the end of the season some of their lads will want away. We should be looking at Nobby Cater, Virgin Vandick and Mehmet Salad as they can't wait to pull on the black and white and play for the mighty Rams in front of a full house. What do you guys think? 😍 Caerphilly Ram, SKRam and SFox1993 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 10 hours ago, Carnero said: Rooney set Louie Sibley back years too, by removing the aggression from him. First time I've heard that? Sibley started Cocu's 2nd season in indifferent form and then picked up an injury that kept him out for a while. He certainly needed to improve his disciplinary record, but was Rooney solely responsible for that? It sounds more like Rosenior's area of responsibility, and I find it hard to imagine Rooney telling a player not to play aggressively? Edited February 16 by Crewton Corrected sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 14 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: I suspect you're not entirely wrong. Which creates an even bigger problem for next season, given the number of out-of-contract players that will need replacing. [I've moved the discussion to this chat as I think it's better suited at this point] At the moment, we have this team for next season: Vickers Nyambe Nelson Cashin Ward Fornah ??? Elder Mendez-Laing Washington Blackett-Taylor Subs: Rooney, Bradley, Wilson, Brown By extending just a few contracts (Thompson, Sibley, Collins) and making Adams permanent, we have a fairly reliable base to work from. My main concern would be signing good enough CMs. Even if we have a 2 man midfield, I would like to see us sign/extend 4 CMs for next season (5 if a 3 man midfield) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, Crewton said: First time I've heard that? Sibley started Cocu's 2nd season in indifferent form, got stupidly sent off (Peterborough away?) and then got an injury which sidelined him for a while. He certainly needed to improve his disciplinary record, but was Rooney solely responsible for that? It sounds more like Rosenior's area of responsibility, and I find it hard to imagine Rooney telling a player not to play aggressively? Sibley has only ever had 1 red card in his professional career - against West Brom and it was rescinded. This was also in his debut season when Cocu was manager. Whilst I don't think Rooney wanted Sibley to be less agressive, I do think he drained every ounce of confidence he did have which resulted in him 'going backwards'. Rooney was even quoted in 2021 with "I want to get him back to that being aggressive... how he takes the ball, how he runs, how he takes a shot. I just feel he has come away from that a little bit". His confidence was drained by not being given a fair run in the side. He would score off the bench, then get 45 mins from the start before being subbed, followed by being an unused sub for a few games. A point demonstrated by never once having back to back starts in his favoured AM position under Rooney. Crewton, RoyMac5 and CBRammette 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabby'sThighs Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 14/02/2024 at 15:42, Dimmu said: Max Bird - leaving 😪 Louie Sibley - keep Joe Wildsmith - keep Tyreece John-Jules - release Tom Barkhuizen (club option 1 year) - 1 year extension Ebou Adams - KEEP Liam Thompson - keep Conor Hourihane - release Korey Smith - release Kwaku Oduroh - release, although I don't think I've ever seen the lad play... James Collins - keep, got to be worth another year Craig Forsyth - keep, one more year, still looking good Martyn Waghorn - release Darren Robinson - keep Scott Loach - keep, 3rd keeper & goalie coach, can't see a reason for releasing him Ram@Lincoln and Dimmu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 36 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Sibley has only ever had 1 red card in his professional career - against West Brom and it was rescinded. This was also in his debut season when Cocu was manager. Whilst I don't think Rooney wanted Sibley to be less agressive, I do think he drained every ounce of confidence he did have which resulted in him 'going backwards'. Rooney was even quoted in 2021 with "I want to get him back to that being aggressive... how he takes the ball, how he runs, how he takes a shot. I just feel he has come away from that a little bit". His confidence was drained by not being given a fair run in the side. He would score off the bench, then get 45 mins from the start before being subbed, followed by being an unused sub for a few games. A point demonstrated by never once having back to back starts in his favoured AM position under Rooney. Or the opposition got to know the narrow aspect of his good play and he hasn't been able to adapt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Gabby'sThighs said: So we currently have a 26 man first team squad, of which you try to keep all but 5 of them - that doesn't leave much scope for improving the squad. If promoted, we'd need to improve more than just 3 CMs (replacing our 2 main starters) and 2 CFs jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabby'sThighs Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 19 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: So we currently have a 26 man first team squad, of which you try to keep all but 5 of them - that doesn't leave much scope for improving the squad. If promoted, we'd need to improve more than just 3 CMs (replacing our 2 main starters) and 2 CFs I didn't realise I had to think of this practically... That's 6 out, and just the out-of-contract players. I'll be surprised if Cashin stays. I'd bounce Bradley - I know he's played a few decent games lately but he just annoys me at this stage. I'd probably move Ward & Washington on too. Rooney, Thompson & Robinson could do with a loan out. So much of this is up in the air though - if we get promoted could Collins, Fozzy, and Barkhuizen really do a job in the Championship? Does Wildsmith actually want to stay? If he goes we seriously need a Championship keeper. It's also possible Sibley & Thompson will save some time and sidle off to their natural home: Burton. Anyway, suggestions....Louie Barry, Jake Young, Dan Kemp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Sibley has only ever had 1 red card in his professional career - against West Brom and it was rescinded. This was also in his debut season when Cocu was manager. Whilst I don't think Rooney wanted Sibley to be less agressive, I do think he drained every ounce of confidence he did have which resulted in him 'going backwards'. Rooney was even quoted in 2021 with "I want to get him back to that being aggressive... how he takes the ball, how he runs, how he takes a shot. I just feel he has come away from that a little bit". His confidence was drained by not being given a fair run in the side. He would score off the bench, then get 45 mins from the start before being subbed, followed by being an unused sub for a few games. A point demonstrated by never once having back to back starts in his favoured AM position under Rooney. Noted, but I did correct the sending off reference. With a yellow card every 4 games in the Championship though, he did need to improve his disciplinary record, and subsequently has in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Gabby'sThighs said: I'd agree with you if we are still in League One next season. If not, then I'd make more changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oodledoodle Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 18 hours ago, jimtastic56 said: Whitaker is joint top scorer in the Championship and Plymouth have priced him up at £16 mill. It just shows - you have to be patient with these young lads . I hope we have a sell -on clause for Bird . If we have a sell-on fee, we should buy him back. We'll get a % knocked off, so he'd be a bargain. Just call me Martin Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: So we currently have a 26 man first team squad, of which you try to keep all but 5 of them - that doesn't leave much scope for improving the squad. If promoted, we'd need to improve more than just 3 CMs (replacing our 2 main starters) and 2 CFs For the midfield would take any of -Greg Doherty (27) out of contract - Jordan Thompson (27) out of contact - don’t shoot me but Ben Osborn (29) out of contract could wanna move home for his latter years 😅 Think all 3 players are steady hard working players who’d 100% keep us up if we went up. Another lad I’d have a look at is Joe Williams (27) at Bristol city who’s out of contract in the summer, would be a very good addition and I also think Max Bird is his replacement so could be kind of an indirect swap between clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: If we have a sell-on fee, we should buy him back. We'll get a % knocked off, so he'd be a bargain. Just call me Martin Lewis. We sold him to Swansea, not Plymouth so we won't have any sell-on fees left. Just call me a killjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 14/02/2024 at 15:42, Dimmu said: Whatever league we are in, we might be looking for a completely new midfield next season. Players whose contract is expiring: Max Bird Louie Sibley Keep Joe Wildsmith keep Tyreece John-Jules let go Tom Barkhuizen (club option 1 year) keep Ebou Adams try and sign Liam Thompson let go Conor Hourihane let go Korey Smith let go Kwaku Oduroh let go James Collins keep Craig Forsyth keep Martyn Waghorn let go Darren Robinson keep Scott Loach let go I hope we can sign a new deal with Sibbo, Thommo, and Collo. All would be good enough as squad players in either league. Barks option I'd use, if we don't get promoted and Loach could get himself another contract. If in League One, I'd hope Wildsmith to continue. So, we should be looking at around a dozen incoming players and 4-5 them in center midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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