Anyone else had enough?

[RoyMac5]

Some poor child has. 😞

 

 

[Chris_Martin]

46 minutes ago, Archied said:

Well it’s not doing derby or Everton much good then😂

why?

Both teams are almost exactly where they should be according to xg.

Derby should be 13th but are actually 11th

Everton are 16th but should be 10th

[angieram]

50 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Some poor child has. 😞

 

 

You do know that's a joke, don't you? Mark and Alex go to every game, home and away.

Alex is an adult. 

[RoyMac5]

6 minutes ago, angieram said:

You do know that's a joke, don't you? Mark and Alex go to every game, home and away.

Alex is an adult. 

Well I certainly hoped it was a joke. Do parents really tweet about being abusive to their children?

It's gallows humour I assumed. #COYR

Edited October 23, 2023 by RoyMac5

[Archied]

33 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

why?

Both teams are almost exactly where they should be according to xg.

Derby should be 13th but are actually 11th

Everton are 16th but should be 10th

Depends where you look , I’m guessing you like the daily horoscope s too and champ manager😂
we have many forum managers who actually believe they better than warne at the job if only they were given it , after all they can quote you stats all day long 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited October 23, 2023 by Archied

[Archied]

12 minutes ago, Archied said:

Depends where you look , I’m guessing you like the daily horoscope s too and champ manager😂
we have many forum managers who actually believe they better than warne at the job if only they were given it , after all they can quote you stats all day long 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yep just done a quick look , there are quit a few different sites for xg with different conclusions 

mate it’s just modelling then when you factor in xg against as well as xg for its in the realms of mystic Meg or professor neil Ferguson 😂😂

[Foreveram]

12 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

It's confusing isn't it.

You can't even have a coherent debate on here regards match stats as it's totally dependant on which source you use to derive your information from 

I find watching the match live at the ground gives you the best insight.

[Van der MoodHoover]

13 hours ago, IslandExile said:

The Press Association - probably the leading news agency in the country - not just for Sports either. They provide much of the news for all media outlets.

But can they count fouls and corners?

[Van der MoodHoover]

40 minutes ago, Archied said:

Yep just done a quick look , there are quit a few different sites for xg with different conclusions 

mate it’s just modelling then when you factor in xg against as well as xg for its in the realms of mystic Meg or professor neil Ferguson 😂😂

xG is indeed algorithmic. I found it odd that simple counts like number of corners could be different on different sites.

I can believe that with some of our shooting there may be some doubts as to whether shots are actually passes.....

[kevinhectoring]

12 hours ago, MadAmster said:

. I prefer to credit the opposition as much as our own players in such a situation.

We’re in a crap league. If we’re allowing the opposition to earn credit we’re crap 

[May Contain Nuts]

17 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

I find watching the match live at the ground gives you the best insight.

Sure

If you've got a view from the perfect angle, good eyesight and an eidetic memory that sounds fine.

The human brain is a notoriously unreliable witness though, especially in fast moving situations and often influenced by your emotions, surroundings, natural bias and other factors so what you think you've seen can be very far from the reality of what actually happened.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Foreveram]

9 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Sure

If you've got a view from the perfect angle, good eyesight and an eidetic memory that sounds fine.

The human brain is a notoriously unreliable witness though, especially in fast moving situations and often influenced by your emotions, surroundings, natural bias and other factors so what you think you've seen can be very far from the reality of what actually happened.

But it’s my reality not someone else’s.

[May Contain Nuts]

3 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

But it’s my reality not someone else’s.

Probably the best place to be when watching Derby tbf.😉

[Archied]

16 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Sure

If you've got a view from the perfect angle, good eyesight and an eidetic memory that sounds fine.

The human brain is a notoriously unreliable witness though, especially in fast moving situations and often influenced by your emotions, surroundings, natural bias and other factors so what you think you've seen can be very far from the reality of what actually happened.

Are you a coroner by any chance ?

[Archied]

23 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Sure

If you've got a view from the perfect angle, good eyesight and an eidetic memory that sounds fine.

The human brain is a notoriously unreliable witness though, especially in fast moving situations and often influenced by your emotions, surroundings, natural bias and other factors so what you think you've seen can be very far from the reality of what actually happened.

So the same is true for xg modellers then who feed the data in 🤷🏻‍♂️
it used to just be said that people who don’t watch games can’t really give a proper opinion on how derby are doing , now you can’t give a proper opinion even if you follow home and away and never miss a match 😂😂😂

Jeeeeeez

Edited October 23, 2023 by Archied

[May Contain Nuts]

9 minutes ago, Archied said:

So the same is true for xg modellers then who feed the data in 🤷🏻‍♂️
it used to just be said that people who don’t watch games can’t really give a proper opinion on how derby are doing , now you can’t give a proper opinion even if you follow home and away and never miss a match 😂😂😂

Jeeeeeez

The point is it's better to get the best of both worlds than to rely on one or the other.

For someone who's said you don't think one approach is better than the other and respect people's opinions, you don't half use a mocking tone whenever you talk to / about people with a a stat-lead view.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Archied]

7 hours ago, Kokosnuss said:

The point is it's better to get the best of both worlds than to rely on one or the other.

For someone who's said you don't think one approach is better than the other and respect people's opinions, you don't half use a mocking tone whenever you talk to / about people with a a stat-lead view.

ME
Yep , my bug bear with it on here is posters who see things differently from the warne out NOW brigade ( no probs there it’s they’re opinion ) get this xg guff thrown at them as some kind of proof that ,, see I’m right ,your wrong , the stats say it so it must be so😂😂😂😂

YOU

Except they don't.

Your league table of knowing whether and when to sack warne

1 , watch every game and choose a random stat site to study

2 watch every game

3 watch some games

4 listen to games 

5 read reports 

im not mocking , you make a good enough job of that yourself by contradicting yourself 

in numerous warne out threads people use stats from random sites to elevate they’re opinion above other s who watch the games but don’t agree on warne out at this point 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Archied

[Oldben]

Derby county not spending a transfer fee for sometime has created the following:

Limited to older players: Free agents are typically players who are not wanted by their former clubs and are often older players who have very little resale value.

Relying solely on free agents can limit a team's ability to bring in younger, more promising players who can contribute to the team's long-term success.

Lack of team cohesion: Signing a large number of free agents can disrupt team cohesion and make it difficult for players to develop a strong understanding of each other's playing styles. This can be a disadvantage for teams that are looking to build a cohesive and successful team.

Performance risk: Free agents may not perform as well as expected, especially if they are older players who are past their prime. This can be a disadvantage for teams that have invested heavily in high wage budgets for these players

In summary, while free agents can be a valuable addition to a team, relying solely on them with high wage budgets can have several disadvantages, including being limited to older players with little resale value, performance risk, and a lack of team cohesion.

we need to spend money buying players, rebuilding the team.

Without that can warne or any new manager be expected to see positive results.

Does our high wage budget stop us making proper transfers without releasing players first.

[Ghost of Clough]

18 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Derby county not spending a transfer fee for sometime has created the following:

Limited to older players: Free agents are typically players who are not wanted by their former clubs and are often older players who have very little resale value.

Relying solely on free agents can limit a team's ability to bring in younger, more promising players who can contribute to the team's long-term success.

Lack of team cohesion: Signing a large number of free agents can disrupt team cohesion and make it difficult for players to develop a strong understanding of each other's playing styles. This can be a disadvantage for teams that are looking to build a cohesive and successful team.

Performance risk: Free agents may not perform as well as expected, especially if they are older players who are past their prime. This can be a disadvantage for teams that have invested heavily in high wage budgets for these players

In summary, while free agents can be a valuable addition to a team, relying solely on them with high wage budgets can have several disadvantages, including being limited to older players with little resale value, performance risk, and a lack of team cohesion.

we need to spend money buying players, rebuilding the team.

Without that can warne or any new manager be expected to see positive results.

Does our high wage budget stop us making proper transfers without releasing players first.

The last time Derby spent a fee was Jozwiak in 2020, with Portsmouth also making a paid transfer in the same window.. In the same period of time that we haven't been able to spend, Portsmouth have chosen not to. In thr 2 years from Feb 2020 to Feb 2022, we spend £1.8m on agents fees to their £350k

[MadAmster]

14 hours ago, sage said:

It's an adventurous line up. You certainly couldn't play Hourihane in the one, he would be massively exposed.  It feels like a chasing the game, last 10 mins sort of line up. Any decent outfit/manager would pick us off very easily. 

as explained in the post you quote, Hourihane is in there because he's Captain. I was going on the premise that PW would pick him for that reason.