Sheffield Wednesday (A) Sun 7th May, 12:00 KO

[Jimbo Ram]

9 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

It was Bannan round the ref, like a fly round a cows a*******, that got Davies sent off.

Really 🤔

[PistoldPete]

3 hours ago, MadAmster said:

All and sundry from fans (incl a Wendy mate of mine) to retires refs to pundits all say no penalty so no red.

Not seen comment anywhere on this incident on 87 minutes and 19 seconds. The Wendy player has hold of Fozzy's shirt with both hands. Fozzy's shirt is halfway up his back. The ref is looking straight at it. Gave nothing but 2 seconds later penalised Fozzy because, when he got back up, the Wendy fell over. To me, this is far more of a penalty than the one they were given. Travesty. Also the guy holding Foz isn't even looking at the ball. Another defender has hold of Dobbin and is also not interested in the ball...

 

The only question I have is.. is the ball in play? Jostling before the ball is played is quite common. 

[Steve Buckley’s Dog]

40 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

What difference would surrounding the referee have made, he had made his decision. Only thing that might have changed is more bookings for us.

Port Vale did it three times at PP and got two penalties and a man sent off. It seemed to work that day. I find it rather sad that the consensus on here is that we are going to have to start cheating, in terms of feigning injury, wasting time and putting pressure on referees, in order to get out of this league. Sadly, from what I have seen this season, I tend to agree - it works. 

[Crewton]

58 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

The only question I have is.. is the ball in play? Jostling before the ball is played is quite common. 

It is - you can see that Hourihane has just taken the kick.

[Jimbo Ram]

56 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

Port Vale did it three times at PP and got two penalties and a man sent off. It seemed to work that day. I find it rather sad that the consensus on here is that we are going to have to start cheating, in terms of feigning injury, wasting time and putting pressure on referees, in order to get out of this league. Sadly, from what I have seen this season, I tend to agree - it works. 

But in this case the ref had given the free kick against Forsyth. Surrounding the referee would have been futile. He wasn’t ever going to change his mind and then give a pen to us was he 🤣

[Shipley Ram]

10 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

But in this case the ref had given the free kick against Forsyth. Surrounding the referee would have been futile. He wasn’t ever going to change his mind and then give a pen to us was he 🤣

The point isn't to change his mind, it's to change his perception of things for next time by putting pressure on him.

[Rambam]

2 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

Went back through the key moment in the thread for the first time, and can't believe there wasn't more discussion around this first substitution. Warne made two terrible substitutions in the game. We needed a goal, but even before getting in at half-time and regrouping, he took off one of his likely scorers/creators in Sibley. Absolute madness. If he needed Smith on it had to be Bird off. I can't fathom his thought processes.

Then, late in the game, Harvey White was brought on when he had no right to be on the pitch and was absolute garbage. What has he done to earn that opportunity? This "set piece expert's" sole contribution was to squander two freekicks in good positions. Play the people who work for the club and have a stake in the match. 

Then, I cannot believe the people on here claiming it was a penalty. Seriously? On first viewing it was an obvious dive. You all need to take a long hard look at yourselves. Why would anyone be so eager to justify the referee making a clear and obvious error in the biggest match of his sorry life? To give a penalty the referee should always be sure, but here he was guessing, as he couldn't have seen a foul because there wasn't one. To give a penalty in a game of this magnitude, which could be worth so many millions of pounds, he had to be really, really, really sure. He cannot have been.  Sadly, we all know there will be no sanction.

Very hard to know where we go from here in terms of next season. We lost out on the playoffs because we've been seriously done over by incompetent refs all season (no it doesn't even out), because of our profligacy and carelessness in front of goal, and stupid losses of concentration at the back. Whoever we manage to cobble together to form a team next campaign, with all the restrictions, they have to have it drilled into them that every single game is important, from first to last and in between. Here we see Wednesday only making the playoffs with 96 points. If we're to go up in 2024 we need to start brilliantly and continue brilliantly. 

 

Agree about the refs. As regards the points achieved. 76 would usually get you in the play offs. It’s a very decent season. 
In the Championship, 69 points was enough today. 

[Jimbo Ram]

8 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said:

The point isn't to change his mind, it's to change his perception of things for next time by putting pressure on him.

So by changing his perception in the future he might change his mind 🤔 Got it 😁

[angieram]

12 minutes ago, Rambam said:

Agree about the refs. As regards the points achieved. 76 would usually get you in the play offs. It’s a very decent season. 
In the Championship, 69 points was enough today. 

And that's the rub of the green, isn't it? This year is a strong year in League One, yet a relatively weak one in the Championship (top two apart). 

When I look at the Championship play off teams, we'd have been right in there with a good chance with our mid to late teens squad (2016 onwards).

I hope people saying League One will be much easier next year are right. 

[Steve Buckley’s Dog]

27 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

But in this case the ref had given the free kick against Forsyth. Surrounding the referee would have been futile. He wasn’t ever going to change his mind and then give a pen to us was he 🤣

Well the ref against Port Vale did didn’t he. He hadn’t given the first penalty and awarded a goal kick, if memory serves, before being swarmed and changing his decision. Ordinarily I would agree with you but you have to take into account the sheer incompetence and weakness of the officials .

[ariotofmyown]

4 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

I was 14 when we signed Thorne. And Mel wasn’t the owner.

A 2 x 5 second google search show Mel was owner when we bought Thorne.

You should have said that you criticised everything Mel did that you could remember he did. Could you not type at 14?

[Jimbo Ram]

9 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

Well the ref against Port Vale did didn’t he. He hadn’t given the first penalty and awarded a goal kick, if memory serves, before being swarmed and changing his decision. Ordinarily I would agree with you but you have to take into account the sheer incompetence and weakness of the officials .

99.999999 times out 100 he/she wouldn’t 😁

[Millenniumram]

9 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

A 2 x 5 second google search show Mel was owner when we bought Thorne.

You should have said that you criticised everything Mel did that you could remember he did. Could you not type at 14?

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2015/09/club-statement-mel-morris-completes-purchase-of-derby-county

Mel buys Derby County, September 2015

https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/19/george-thorne-signs-for-derby-county-west-brom

Derby sign Thorne, July 2014

I joined the forum in August 2016

[Jimbo Ram]

3 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2015/09/club-statement-mel-morris-completes-purchase-of-derby-county

Mel buys Derby County, September 2015

https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/19/george-thorne-signs-for-derby-county-west-brom

Derby sign Thorne, July 2014

I joined the forum in August 2016

Did we sign him on loan originally 🤔

[ariotofmyown]

2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2015/09/club-statement-mel-morris-completes-purchase-of-derby-county

Mel buys Derby County, September 2015

https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/19/george-thorne-signs-for-derby-county-west-brom

Derby sign Thorne, July 2014

I joined the forum in August 2016

Fair enough, he bought a stake in May 2014. Still think you should have been posting negative Mel stuff before then. You could have prevented us getting in such a mess. Thanks for nothing!

[Carnero]

18 minutes ago, angieram said:

I hope people saying League One will be much easier next year are right. 

I find it hard to believe that replacing Plymouth, Ipswich and one of Sheff Wed/Barnsley/Bolton/Posh with Reading, Blackpool & Wigan will make the division stronger!

I heard one correspondent on the Rams Daily podcast suggesting our team should have got automatics this year... we'd have needed 99 points FFS!!! 😂

Edited May 8, 2023 by Carnero

[Steve Buckley’s Dog]

5 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

99.999999 times out 100 he/she wouldn’t 😁

I see your point but sadly not this season. Of course you all need to appeal vociferously and run up to the ref complaining before he has made a decision ideally in order to influence him. Then stand talking to him after every decision to let him know what you think. And then, from what I have seen this season, you start getting decisions! 

[DavesaRam]

On 07/05/2023 at 12:47, alram said:

people can call it a dive all they want, he gave the striker and option to dive with the idiotic and ponderous defending

 

shocking

Yes, but the issue shouldn't be that Curtis gave him an option to dive by letting his finger tips brush the guy's shoulder, the issue is that fans, the media, especially the pundits, and worst of all the match officials almost insist that players cheat at every opportunity, and then justify it at the expense of doing the right thing.

[DavesaRam]

On 07/05/2023 at 12:55, Stockyram92 said:

Sick of hearing that it's the refs costing us, it isn't! It's the schoolboy mistakes, without that dreadful back pass the penalty etc doesn't happen 

Yes but we should be able to trust the ref is going to give us the correct decision instead of the football equivalent of a politically correct decision.

[Amberram]

9 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Have you seen this man? Wanted by police, last seen in Sheffield area.

I’ve finally managed to force myself to watch the highlights from the game.

Regarding the penalty, obviously a very poor back pass from Curtis and I suspect Wildsmith was perhaps a little gentle as he didn’t want to risk giving away a penalty himself.

Sadly (very) in modern football it seems you only need to make the slightest contact for a penalty to be awarded and Curtis shouldn’t have given the ref a decision to make but, that dive was just embarrassing.

Good film that.

Loved how he hid the rifle in the exhaust pipe or was it the cup of Bovril.