Srg Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, jono said: He was all over the place. Box to box is a cliche but he just doesn’t stop. Honestly, goals apart, he’s more complete then Bryso. If he starts scoring too, he’ll be a god. Way to go yet but, Cashin apart, the brightest star in our universe Main issue is he’s rarely ever been allowed to play in positions he’s suited for. Let’s hope he will now. jono and InstaRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Srg said: Main issue is he’s rarely ever been allowed to play in positions he’s suited for. Let’s hope he will now. It's "The Derby Way"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichram Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Totally agree Knight not only played really well he set the tempo for others, who thankfully followed suit, and he also created space for others which has been denied us on many occasions by hard working teams. please god keep him fit, in the team and at derby county DavesaRam, Rammy03, kevinhectoring and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBX1985 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 9 hours ago, LazloW said: I think we’re in the minority but I agree with you. Unfortunately, as with a lot of things in the modern game, the ‘lashing out’ (or in other circumstances ‘raising hands’ or ‘making contact’) is now just accepted as being a sending off offence, without really considering the severity of the offence (a bit of a waft with his leg, very little contact, theatrical falling down, the poor soul who got touched being a whiny little git who was at it for the whole game) or the context (in this case being pulled to the ground and thus provoked - albeit not severely ). Yes it was petulant, yes a talking to, maybe a booking, but a sending off? Not for me. I know there’s a lot of moral superiority about this type of thing, but in the great scheme of things it was very minor. Indeed, I sit parallel to it in the east stand and probably had one of the best views of the incident in the ground and I thought nothing of it. I realise I’m biased, but this was hardly the crime of the century and I’ve seen far worse happen without a red card being shown. A fair point, but some things need black and white outcomes; you cannot be allowed to essentially commit common assault on another player. It is one of the few things that can be yes/no, and getting rid of the uniformity would make it worse: people lashed out against would simply turn the style up to make it look worse, rather than knowing being kicked is 'enough'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 02/01/2023 at 20:47, Topram said: I’ve heard it totally wrong then, thought he said we were average! We'd have had so much more fun with it if he had. He was irritatingly reasonable on this occasion, just when I was hoping for a massive hissy fit ? DavesaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 8 hours ago, CBX1985 said: A fair point, but some things need black and white outcomes; you cannot be allowed to essentially commit common assault on another player. It is one of the few things that can be yes/no, and getting rid of the uniformity would make it worse: people lashed out against would simply turn the style up to make it look worse, rather than knowing being kicked is 'enough'. I agree that you shouldn’t be allowed to commit common assault… what Orsula did was nowhere near that! He slowly wafted a leg out, it made minimal contact with the opposition player and he went down as if shot. The ref was looking straight at it and seemingly only considered there was a problem when either the linesman or fourth official got in his ear (both of whom had a worse view). The only things black and white in football are whether the ball goes over a line and, in theory, offside (but that’s also got an element of subjectivity about it now as you have to get inside the linesman’s head to work out who he thought might be involved in play or not). Everything else is has judgment about it. The ref is able to - and should - consider whether there is a material difference between a petulant little kick that hardly made contact versus head butting or punching somebody. Obviously, Orsula shouldn’t have done it. It was stupid and likely to get him into some trouble. Don’t give refs the opportunity to make these judgements. But, in my opinion only, it’s lazy of refs not to exercise some judgement and just automatically go straight to a red card for everything. In any event, in this case, there are also often far worse altercations that go on between players where refs only give out yellows or a talking to. That’s all I think this merited. Anyway, not to worry; it’s a game of opinions and we all see things differently . Doesn’t really matter as we won so no harm done!! jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, LazloW said: I agree that you shouldn’t be allowed to commit common assault… what Orsula did was nowhere near that! He slowly wafted a leg out, it made minimal contact with the opposition player and he went down as if shot. The ref was looking straight at it and seemingly only considered there was a problem when either the linesman or fourth official got in his ear (both of whom had a worse view). 2023 is why Osula was sent off, The game has changed, It was called a physical game once upon a time, The physicality has been taken out, We've seen worse tackles either by accident or intent go unpunished, Footballers over the years have been coached/told how to con/cheat the official, We see it time after time and game after game, In todays rules...it's a sending off it matters not a jot which official saw it...it was seen, For me...a word in the ear and play on, But it's been said...this ref was looking to pull his red card out, Osula fell for it Crewton and LazloW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alty_Ram Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Last Post said: 2023 is why Osula was sent off, The game has changed, It was called a physical game once upon a time, The physicality has been taken out, We've seen worse tackles either by accident or intent go unpunished, Footballers over the years have been coached/told how to con/cheat the official, We see it time after time and game after game, In todays rules...it's a sending off it matters not a jot which official saw it...it was seen, For me...a word in the ear and play on, But it's been said...this ref was looking to pull his red card out, Osula fell for it Quite. However lame the 'kick' was it is always going to get you sent off these days. The same punishment for a pathetic low-speed swish of the leg vs kicking someone as hard as you can doesn't make much sense to me but that is how seems to be and all players will know this so he has got himself niggled into a stupid decision, probably not helped by his arguing and squaring up after the kick. The way I view it is this. If the police change the speed limit on a road from 50 to 30 and I have seen the speed limit sign, it doesn't matter what I think the speed limit should be - it is what it is. Ram-Alf, Crewton and kevinhectoring 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Alty_Ram said: ... The way I view it is this. If the police change the speed limit on a road from 50 to 30 and I have seen the speed limit sign, it doesn't matter what I think the speed limit should be - it is what it is. True. But annoying when the Police turn a blind eye to the guy that you are road-racing! DavesaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Dont know whether its been mentioned but Steve Cooper was at the game , who was he wasting his time watching do we think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Premier ram said: Dont know whether its been mentioned but Steve Cooper was at the game , who was he wasting his time watching do we think ? Maybe he was hiding from someone...? Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, The Last Post said: 2023 is why Osula was sent off, The game has changed, It was called a physical game once upon a time, The physicality has been taken out, We've seen worse tackles either by accident or intent go unpunished, Footballers over the years have been coached/told how to con/cheat the official, We see it time after time and game after game, In todays rules...it's a sending off it matters not a jot which official saw it...it was seen, For me...a word in the ear and play on, But it's been said...this ref was looking to pull his red card out, Osula fell for it I agree but it’s not a 2023 phenomena. It’s been happening for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: I agree but it’s not a 2023 phenomena. It’s been happening for years now. Yes that's why I posted "Footballers over the years have been coached/told how to con/cheat the official" Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Premier ram said: Dont know whether its been mentioned but Steve Cooper was at the game , who was he wasting his time watching do we think ? Impossible to tell which way he was looking! ? Ram-Alf, Reggie Greenwood, YouRams and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Premier ram said: Dont know whether its been mentioned but Steve Cooper was at the game , who was he wasting his time watching do we think ? Just wanted to watch some decent football for a change… SaffyRam, Premier ram and Rammy03 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS1992 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) On 02/01/2023 at 18:05, 86 Hair Islands said: I'll take that bet mate. £50 charity donation for whoever is wrong. Game? I am not much of a gambling man but I should have took that bet @86 Hair Islands? Edited January 4, 2023 by DanS1992 Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 03/01/2023 at 11:47, HorsforthRam said: Tin hat on. I didn’t think it was a sending off at all. A waft of the leg. There’s more aggressions when players push each other in the chest with hands and those are never sending offs. Absolutely no intent to hurt the opponent. Talking to and that’s about it Was more than a waft of the leg unfortunately. Beckham in 98 was a waft of the leg. It’s no secret how this works - shove a player with your arms, press your forehead against his, you might or might not get a yellow. Head butt, punch or kick and you’re in red territory. You can say it should work another way, fine, but as the rules are currently applied, he has only himself to blame Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Premier ram said: Dont know whether its been mentioned but Steve Cooper was at the game , who was he wasting his time watching do we think ? It'll be Bird and or Knight and I'd hedge my bets one or both are going. Edited January 5, 2023 by YouRams kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, YouRams said: It'll be Bird and or Knight and I'd hedge my bets one or both are going. Don’t think DC would sell to the dodgy bakery burner unless massive money involved Crewton and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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