Neville takes the money

[Archied]

2 hours ago, Bob The Badger said:

Slaughtered?

I watched it last night and Hislop definitely made it awkward for him and he looked uncomfortable, but I'd hardly say he was slaughtered.

On a side note, Richard Madeley was literally the worst guest I have ever seen on the programme. Did he even know it was meant to be satire.

Wasn’t struck on madeley for a long time but what I’ve seen of him over the last couple years opened my eyes to the fact he was once a serious journalist and my take on the show was he was a bit uncomfortable with how very left wing it is

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

On 07/10/2022 at 15:19, Stive Pesley said:

Interesting isn't it. 

All you are doing is questioning the ethics of a rich celebrity when it comes to them getting a big payday for doing something that most people, myself included, find to be morally wrong.

Yet I don't see anyone chiming in to tell you that you're just jealous, that you have wealth envy, that you're stamping your feet and that you shouldn't criticise his attempts to work hard and grow the economy. 

Interesting

Presumably if was a more right leaning,non labour supporting commenter,your view of him would be the same?

[Bob The Badger]

2 hours ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

It's not Talksh!te is it? Red Nev couldn't really reply, could he? He normally has plenty to say but Hislop just nailed him right and proper. There is a 3rd way Gary, don't take the money and denounce the regime etc.. 

Nice and simple.

Red Nev?

[nottingram]

Must say I am struggling to work out what the issue is.

Seems pretty obvious that the World Cup should not be happening in Qatar and the human rights issues there are abhorrent. It’s hardly new news but maybe Neville pointing it out might make some more people aware. 

But the World Cup is happening there and Neville is a football pundit, probably the best one out there. So of course he’s going to work the World Cup, why would he not?

To me it’s far better to face up to the issues than quietly ignore them. There’s probably going to be 30-40 people, probably even more than that, from this country working the World Cup. If the options are take the dirty dollars and ignore any issues or take the dirty dollars and at least try to highlight them then the latter definitely seems better to me

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Presumably if was a more right leaning,non labour supporting commenter,your view of him would be the same?

I don't think you could find a more right leaning commenter than the one I was mocking in this post from a month ago ?

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:

Red Nev?

That was his nickname at manure me thinks

[Anon]

1 hour ago, nottingram said:

Must say I am struggling to work out what the issue is.

Seems pretty obvious that the World Cup should not be happening in Qatar and the human rights issues there are abhorrent. It’s hardly new news but maybe Neville pointing it out might make some more people aware. 

But the World Cup is happening there and Neville is a football pundit, probably the best one out there. So of course he’s going to work the World Cup, why would he not?

To me it’s far better to face up to the issues than quietly ignore them. There’s probably going to be 30-40 people, probably even more than that, from this country working the World Cup. If the options are take the dirty dollars and ignore any issues or take the dirty dollars and at least try to highlight them then the latter definitely seems better to me

Same question I asked earlier in the thread. Same question Ian Hislop asked. Why can't Gary Neville highlight the issues without also taking Qatari money to go and work for beIN Sports? What exactly is standing in his way? He already has a global platform.

Also, Nev the best pundit? You have to be trolling. I'd rather have Sturridge back on radio Derby than listen to that absolute goit.

[Ram-Alf]

2 hours ago, nottingram said:

 

To me it’s far better to face up to the issues than quietly ignore them. There’s probably going to be 30-40 people, probably even more than that, from this country working the World Cup. If the options are take the dirty dollars and ignore any issues or take the dirty dollars and at least try to highlight them then the latter definitely seems better to me

He'll have a contract like others will have, In that contract will be stipulations that would have to be adhered too, What those are are between him and his employers.

Just a guess here...no criticism of Qatar or it's Royal family, No mention of their shocking Human Rights and definitely no mention of Manchester United.  

[nottingram]

18 minutes ago, Anon said:

Same question I asked earlier in the thread. Same question Ian Hislop asked. Why can't Gary Neville highlight the issues without also taking Qatari money to go and work for beIN Sports? What exactly is standing in his way? He already has a global platform.

Also, Nev the best pundit? You have to be trolling. I'd rather have Sturridge back on radio Derby than listen to that absolute goit.

He can, but he’s a football pundit and it’s the World Cup.

Now I understand he’s wealthy so can probably afford to sit it out but the fact the World Cup is somewhere it probably shouldn’t be, shouldn’t mean he can’t do his job. So assuming he’s going there anyway, he can either speak up or sit in silence and take his money.

Ultimately I think @Unlucky Alf is right, it won’t be mentioned at all and the topic will be moved on pretty quickly if it is. But I don’t see why him going and speaking up (if he did) would be worse than pretending the issues aren’t there.

Best pundit bit is kind of true ish, I think he used to be. Probably not now.

[ariotofmyown]

7 hours ago, Bob The Badger said:

I have to be honest, I'm super conflicted. I love the World Cup and I want England to do well, but it's sickening that it's being played there.

I was wondering about a boycott of all companies sponsoring the World Cup? Can someone else organise it though please?

On a similar theme, kids and me were playing Fifa 22 as it's free on game pass. Nice to see all the Gazprom adverts in game. Like the good old days!

[Bob The Badger]

5 hours ago, Archied said:

Wasn’t struck on madeley for a long time but what I’ve seen of him over the last couple years opened my eyes to the fact he was once a serious journalist and my take on the show was he was a bit uncomfortable with how very left wing it is

You have to go back a long way to find him being a journalist and even then I'm not sure whether you'd describe him as a serious journalist - although I guess that's subjective.

I was on Runway, his quiz program in (I think) 1987, and I found him aloof, self-absorbed and dickish. He swanned around rehearsal smoking, drinking diet coke and wearing his sunglasses in a studio.

He's just not a very funny guy (this came across in I'm a Celebrity too) and I'm not sure wtf he was asked on HIGNFY.

 

 

[Ram-Alf]

32 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

You have to go back a long way to find him being a journalist and even then I'm not sure whether you'd describe him as a serious journalist - although I guess that's subjective.

I was on Runway, his quiz program in (I think) 1987, and I found him aloof, self-absorbed and dickish. He swanned around rehearsal smoking, drinking diet coke and wearing his sunglasses in a studio.

He's just not a very funny guy (this came across in I'm a Celebrity too) and I'm not sure wtf he was asked on HIGNFY.

 

 

His appearance in Scammers and Shoplifters was a hoot  

[Bob The Badger]

4 hours ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

That was his nickname at manure me thinks

Ah ok, sorry, I didn't know that. 

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

38 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

Ah ok, sorry, I didn't know that. 

Known as red Nev in his playing days he also showed his true political colors and joined Labour later on. So he  should now be refered as very red Nev. ?

[Brammie Steve]

On 06/10/2022 at 18:58, sage said:

He was a rich socialist who was as political as Neville. He said Murdoch and Maxwell were the biggest problems in Britain. He wrote for the Sun. 

Awaiting the condemnation.

He never made a secret of his political leanings eg.

"There's more chance of me voting Tory!"

Never a shrinking violet OUR Brian!

Best Prime Minister we never had!

Edited November 7, 2022 by Brammie Steve

[Anon]

4 hours ago, nottingram said:

He can, but he’s a football pundit and it’s the World Cup.

Now I understand he’s wealthy so can probably afford to sit it out but the fact the World Cup is somewhere it probably shouldn’t be, shouldn’t mean he can’t do his job. So assuming he’s going there anyway, he can either speak up or sit in silence and take his money.

Ultimately I think @Unlucky Alf is right, it won’t be mentioned at all and the topic will be moved on pretty quickly if it is. But I don’t see why him going and speaking up (if he did) would be worse than pretending the issues aren’t there.

Best pundit bit is kind of true ish, I think he used to be. Probably not now.

And the only punditry job he could land for the world cup just happened to be with the Qatari owned beIN Sports? Or perhaps that was the one that paid the most? I genuinely think, if he's going, he should sit in silence and take his money. Vacuous virtue signalers like Neville undermine genuine concerns about issues through their rank hypocrisy. All they do is legitimize the notion that it's absolutely fine to financially support/or benefit from an abhorrent practice just so long as you say the right things and "raise awareness".

I also can't stand the obscene hubris in his stance. Qatar and the middle east as a whole behave the way they do due to centuries of religious and geopolitical influences. Pressure to change is applied regularly by the UN and a whole myriad of other supranational organisations, yet Gary Neville believes the Qataris might just have a rethink if he deigns to maybe mention a few of his concerns in a sports broadcast (should his handlers even allow it).

[Stive Pesley]

Even GB News are criticizing Qatar for their dreadful LGBTQ+ record

Mind you - they also have a guy on at the same time arguing against the Bishop of Oxford's support for gay marriages

 

It's almost like these news channels will say any old crap to push people's buttons innit?

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Stive Pesley

[Archied]

2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

Even GB News are criticizing Qatar for their dreadful LGBTQ+ record

Mind you - they also have a guy on at the same time arguing against the Bishop of Oxford's support for gay marriages

 

It's almost like these news channels will say any old crap to push people's buttons innit?

 

 

Without realising have you just shown gb news to be reporting both sides of issues? I watch gb news and find myself agreeing and disagreeing with lots of the content, rather than switching off I find that interesting and quite refreshing ??‍♂️

Edited November 8, 2022 by Archied

[Stive Pesley]

On 08/11/2022 at 15:13, Archied said:

Without realising have you just shown gb news to be reporting both sides of issues?

Haha - good one. we can all remember that one next time we're accused of hypocrisy. We're simply "reporting both sides of the issue" ?

But good to know you consider gay rights to be an issue with two sides that deserve exploring.

And you're right I suppose

On the one side there is the peaceful humanitarian view that we're all equal and love is love, no matter who it is shared between, and that no one should be persecuted or discriminated against because of who they are. 

And on the other side - horrible old bigots who think being gay is an abomination against god and that LGBTQ+ people should be treated very differently to good honest "normal" hetero people

In that respect it's a very nuanced issue eh? ?

 

 

 

 

[Ram-Alf]

On 08/11/2022 at 13:03, Stive Pesley said:

Even GB News are criticizing Qatar for their dreadful LGBTQ+ record

Mind you - they also have a guy on at the same time arguing against the Bishop of Oxford's support for gay marriages

 

It's almost like these news channels will say any old crap to push people's buttons innit?

 

 

Hmmm?