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uttoxram75
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I think the world of Liam Rosenoir, he did nothing but good for Derby County FC. I wish him all the best at Hull City. I think that Paul Warne is doing a great job at Derby. It is possible t

Mick Brolly
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Mr Clowes recently save our club so let's back his first big decision it's the least we can do 

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4 years ?  So that's up, down , up, down so we end up where we are now !!! ? ?

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On 23/12/2022 at 09:51, NottsRam77 said:

I'm not sure where all the pressure and expectation is coming from tbh.

6 months… that's all it was... 6 months ago we'd have all given our right nuts to still have a club.

We then entered what was left of the transfer market armed with no transfer fees, no money to line the pockets of agents and a restriction on what we could pay and over the given length of time we could pay that player for.

We did well to get a squad and tbh these are players that other clubs who had more time to get over the line and more money to tie up passed up on.

Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't.

To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than two full seasons??

I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.

A lot of the pressure on Warne imo is coming from people who think that Rosenior was a good manager and should have been persevered with for much longer. After all, this squad (which most on this thread seem to agree is one of the best in this league) was built, as you say, with no transfer fees, no money for agents, etc etc, by Rosenior. Many feel he should therefore have been given more than 9 league games to work with his squad. And if you believe that, then naturally you're going to expect the replacement manager to be a considerable improvement, otherwise why replace Rosenior??

You say: "Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't". Yes, you're spot on. So why didn't this philosophy apply when Rosenior was in charge too??

You say: "To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than 2 full seasons?? I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.". Yes, again you're spot on. So why the rush to replace Rosenior?? Why not judge him after 2 full seasons??

On a points per game (ppg) basis, Rosenior had 1.56 ppg after 9 league games with a squad recruited very hastily and under huge restrictions (this would give us 71.76 points over the season), while Warne currently has 1.62 ppg after his first 13 league games (which would be 74.52 points over a full season). So by replacing Rosenior with Warne, we will statistically gain an extra 2.76 points over the course of a season (let's call it one extra win).

Might that one extra win be the difference between promotion/play-offs and not?? Sure, it could be. But does that justify having replaced Rosenior so soon?? People will have their own opinions, but a lot of the pressure and expectation on Warne comes imo from people who think that, since we replaced Rosenior so quickly, his replacement should be providing a bigger improvement than is currently the case with Warne.

After all, we've won 3 of the last 10 league games. Will all the Warne super-fans on here be happy with 3 wins in the next 10 league games too??

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27 minutes ago, DB83 said:

A lot of the pressure on Warne imo is coming from people who think that Rosenior was a good manager and should have been persevered with for much longer. After all, this squad (which most on this thread seem to agree is one of the best in this league) was built, as you say, with no transfer fees, no money for agents, etc etc, by Rosenior. Many feel he should therefore have been given more than 9 league games to work with his squad. And if you believe that, then naturally you're going to expect the replacement manager to be a considerable improvement, otherwise why replace Rosenior??

You say: "Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't". Yes, you're spot on. So why didn't this philosophy apply when Rosenior was in charge too??

You say: "To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than 2 full seasons?? I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.". Yes, again you're spot on. So why the rush to replace Rosenior?? Why not judge him after 2 full seasons??

On a points per game (ppg) basis, Rosenior had 1.56 ppg after 9 league games with a squad recruited very hastily and under huge restrictions (this would give us 71.76 points over the season), while Warne currently has 1.62 ppg after his first 13 league games (which would be 74.52 points over a full season). So by replacing Rosenior with Warne, we will statistically gain an extra 2.76 points over the course of a season (let's call it one extra win).

Might that one extra win be the difference between promotion/play-offs and not?? Sure, it could be. But does that justify having replaced Rosenior so soon?? People will have their own opinions, but a lot of the pressure and expectation on Warne comes imo from people who think that, since we replaced Rosenior so quickly, his replacement should be providing a bigger improvement than is currently the case with Warne.

After all, we've won 3 of the last 10 league games. Will all the Warne super-fans on here be happy with 3 wins in the next 10 league games too??

Good post.

But, I’m relatively happy with the job Warne is doing. I will consider it a failure if we don’t  make the play offs. Rosenior was replaced when we were 7th so the logic suggests top 6 was/is the target.

Having seen the whole league, it’s a very low standard. Top 6 is easily on. If we don’t make it, it’s been a mistake replacing Rosenior. For what it’s worth, I think we’ll make top 6. 

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5 minutes ago, enachops said:

Good post.

But, I’m relatively happy with the job Warne is doing. I will consider it a failure if we don’t  make the play offs. Rosenior was replaced when we were 7th so the logic suggests top 6 was/is the target.

Having seen the whole league, it’s a very low standard. Top 6 is easily on. If we don’t make it, it’s been a mistake replacing Rosenior. For what it’s worth, I think we’ll make top 6. 

Logic might suggest that Top 6 is our aim, but what has that to do with Rosenior? We were not improving with him, so why do you think 'his' 7th spot was anything but a blip?

I don't believe for one minute that Warne will be happy if we don't at least make the play-offs - he's putting pressure on himself. So are some of the fans, nothing to do with Rosenior but to do with Warne. 

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34 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Logic might suggest that Top 6 is our aim, but what has that to do with Rosenior? We were not improving with him, so why do you think 'his' 7th spot was anything but a blip?

 

Well obviously because we were 7th under Rosenior when he was let go. I’m fine with that decision as long as we improve and finish in the top 6 and ultimately get promotion. I don’t think you can suggest it was a blip. We won his last game in charge. He built the squad from scratch. Rosenior was doing ok. I’m fine with the job Warne is doing too. The football is a bit more agricultural but if it results in promotion, I won’t care. 

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6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

And so there wasn't a goal scored against us directly caused by his slow play-out from the back tactics? That doesn't make them right or fun to watch. ?

Just wasn’t sure of the relevance of goals Hull are conceding. Think I got told off (by yourself in fact) for bringing up an away win they had early on in Rosenior’s reign and that was in an actual thread about him!

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2 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Just wasn’t sure of the relevance of goals Hull are conceding. Think I got told off (by yourself in fact) for bringing up an away win they had early on in Rosenior’s reign and that was in an actual thread about him!

Told off? ?

The relevance of the goals Hull are conceding is that that is the way Rosenior had us set up. There but for the Grace of God go I.

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