Ghost of Clough Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, AlvoRam! said: How can players be employees if they are considered chattels (buying and selling of players and all the other rules governing their existence)? Is working the same as playing? Looks to me like a can of "substance-over-form" worms. You don't buy the player, you buy the registration GB SPORTS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 There are a lot of unknowns at play here. Who sanctioned the extensions, Rooney couldn't as he had no say in financial matters with the club being in administration. Would the administrators be in a legal position to implement the extension. Doubtful as their remit is to cut outgoings. Was the contract extension offered at a lower salary due to a salary cap being in place? In effect their contracts were up at the end of the season. Was there a clause in their contracts that said they could refuse the extension in case of relegation? Would have thought that both parties would have to agree on the extension taking place? As i said a lot of unknowns. Elwood P Dowd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: There are a lot of unknowns at play here. Who sanctioned the extensions, Rooney couldn't as he had no say in financial matters with the club being in administration. Would the administrators be in a legal position to implement the extension. Doubtful as their remit is to cut outgoings. Was the contract extension offered at a lower salary due to a salary cap being in place? In effect their contracts were up at the end of the season. Was there a clause in their contracts that said they could refuse the extension in case of relegation? Would have thought that both parties would have to agree on the extension taking place? As i said a lot of unknowns. 1. No it isn't. 2. No 3. They did... when the contract was originally signed. rammieib and CBRammette 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 1. No it isn't. 2. No 3. They did... when the contract was originally signed. As regards #2 have you actually seen an agreement of their contracts. Or is that you just assuming ? #3 Might have been at the start of their contracts but unless you have actually seen the contracts you cannot be sure what small print is contained in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 11/07/2022 at 12:24, 86 Hair Islands said: Christ. And I thought amortisation was dull. Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 11/07/2022 at 11:24, 86 Hair Islands said: Christ. And I thought amortisation was dull. That was my feedback on Tinder. hintonsboots and Comrade 86 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, atherstoneram said: As regards #2 have you actually seen an agreement of their contracts. Or is that you just assuming ? #3 Might have been at the start of their contracts but unless you have actually seen the contracts you cannot be sure what small print is contained in them. 2. That's how these 'automatic' contract extensions work. The club cannot decide one day to slash an individual's wage just because they feel like it. 3. Both parties were happy with the deal at the time of signing the contract. The contract would have given the club the option to extend based on whatever parameter was agreed at the time. Similar happened with Bent, except the contract allowed him to activate the extension, despite the club not wanting to extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, atherstoneram said: Would have thought that both parties would have to agree on the extension taking place? As i said a lot of unknowns. If Byrne didn't agree to the extension taking place then why did he sign it then. By the fact that he did sign it meant he agreed to it unless your claiming duress? What you're saying is really illogical. Gisby and Ghost of Clough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Is he actually being linked with anyone? Buyers' market at the moment - lots of players available. Needs to be careful or could end up like Wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Maybe it’s the gap between the contract ending and the rubber stamping of it which was a few days after the contract had ended? Off the top of my head we got took over on 4th July? Some 4 days after the contract ended? It’s just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: 2. That's how these 'automatic' contract extensions work. The club cannot decide one day to slash an individual's wage just because they feel like it. 3. Both parties were happy with the deal at the time of signing the contract. The contract would have given the club the option to extend based on whatever parameter was agreed at the time. Similar happened with Bent, except the contract allowed him to activate the extension, despite the club not wanting to extend. When the contracts were signed the club was not in administration, we were playing to a ceiling cap last season. Their contract was effectively up at the end of the season. Possibly the players concerned notified the club that were leaving at the end of the season and then the club then put the contract extension in place. Still don't think the administrators were able to offer them the salary that they were on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: If Byrne didn't agree to the extension taking place then why did he sign it then. By the fact that he did sign it meant he agreed to it unless your claiming duress? What you're saying is really illogical. Not at all, when he signed the contract we were not in administration, it puts the question of whether the administrators were legally allowed to activate the contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: When the contracts were signed the club was not in administration, we were playing to a ceiling cap last season. Their contract was effectively up at the end of the season. Possibly the players concerned notified the club that were leaving at the end of the season and then the club then put the contract extension in place. Still don't think the administrators were able to offer them the salary that they were on. The club being in admin did not affect the fact that once extended the players were on the same terms as they had agreed to.. it may have been EFL not allowing extensions until it became clear that derby had a route out of admin. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilkestonian Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I don't care about any of this as it's simple to me, if he doesn't want to stay then he can bugger off. w8sey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Ilkestonian said: I don't care about any of this as it's simple to me, if he doesn't want to stay then he can bugger off. I think most would agree, the point is can we get a fee for him or not ? Steve How Hard? and Hans Datdo-Dishes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: The club being in admin did not affect the fact that once extended the players were on the same terms as they had agreed to.. it may have been EFL not allowing extensions until it became clear that derby had a route out of admin. . No doubt the PFA would have been consulted either by himself or his agent as to where he stands legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, IslandExile said: Is he actually being linked with anyone? Buyers' market at the moment - lots of players available. Needs to be careful or could end up like Wisdom. My understanding was that Stoke city were very interested especially for nothing £0 IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: No doubt the PFA would have been consulted either by himself or his agent as to where he stands legally. Whilst the PFA might also be aware of potential dangers to their members if a few roles were reversed for example if a new employer decided to actually reduce the wages of players upon takeover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: No doubt the PFA would have been consulted either by himself or his agent as to where he stands legally. Were PFA consulted about their CEO's dodgy dealings being legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, IslandExile said: Is he actually being linked with anyone? Buyers' market at the moment - lots of players available. Needs to be careful or could end up like Wisdom. Where is Andre Wisdom these days? He has a peculiar case where Derby obviously vastly overpaid him. He was probably on north of £25k per week and now he won’t get anywhere near that. He will have to lower his expectations and probably accept wages less than £10k a week to be a bit-part player somewhere. IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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