Woodley Ram Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, PistoldPete said: We only have Nixon's word that Byrne is getting paid. Tyler seems to know a lot about TUPE, (poor boy)and I think he says Byrne is entitled to be paid even though he challenges the validity of his old contract. Even so I cannot see how anyone can be paid without there being an implied contract of some kind. Truth is we really do not know what is going on, I doubt Nixon knows that much either. yes otherwise Derby will be in breach of contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, rammieib said: But I'm not sure we know the exact details. He's allegedly questioning the extension but that was done by the old company. He's also allegedly refused to TUPE to the new company. So these are two different things. I think we only know that he hasn’t turned up for work ! - if he wants to play football professionally another club needs to buy his registration which seems to be confirmed by the stony silence from the EFL the FA and the PFA who all have a multi part interest from both points of view, the fact that he hasn’t registered with another club indicates that any prospective new club is aware of that also. I expect this to drag on until the transfer window shuts, unless special dispensation is given to the situation. rammieib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: yes otherwise Derby will be in breach of contract Surely if he's getting paid, Derby can stick him in the U23's/ make him train. Where is he?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 hintonsboots and rammieib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Surely if he's getting paid, Derby can stick him in the U23's/ make him train. Where is he?. He hasn’t turned up for work ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: Not sure you can say that although could be true. I would have thought that both remain quiet due to lawyers telling them to do so. Could be for a multitude of reasons that as you pointed out we are not privy to. I think it needs sorting out ASAP for the player and clubs sake. That said I am still not impressed with his or LB's actions on this subject and think that DCFC should receive some sort of compensation. With LB it will be interesting to see if he is in the Bremen team/squad for their first game. Likewise it will be interesting to see if Byrne is signed by anyone before the contract issue is concluded. I think I said what I said because I am an eternal optimist. Hoping he’ll stay, it would solve a problem. Regardless of anything, he’s a good player, went through last season with us and must feel something and fit with the lads who shared that experience with him. Miggins and Sparkle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 If we are paying him (same for Buchanan) & he will not play for us, until this is resolved he's possibly stopping us finding a decent replacement whether it be at right back or elsewhere, because of the budget restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Surely if he's getting paid, Derby can stick him in the U23's/ make him train. Where is he?. yes they could if he turned up, no doubt he is training on his own in a park somewhere whilst his agent tries to get him a club. We could have a where is Nathan Byrne competition .....or maybe not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 A question, When did Byrnes contract get renewed, Was it before DC took over, or was it after DC took over, If before then surely Byrne accepted the terms of the contract, If after then....who knows ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: A question, When did Byrnes contract get renewed, Was it before DC took over, or was it after DC took over, If before then surely Byrne accepted the terms of the contract, If after then....who knows ?♀️ His contract was renewed before Dc took over. In May I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: His contract was renewed before Dc took over. In May I believe. Then surely to christ he's under contract, If he's playing the "TUPE" card then this opens up a hornets nest with other players who are still in contract from other teams who go into Admin ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 We may have triggered the extension, but I doubt it was validated by the EFL until the takeover was complete. We got took over after the contract ended, which is where I think the issue arises and what the conflict is Rammy03, Ram-Alf and Carnero 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: We may have triggered the extension, but I doubt it was validated by the EFL until the takeover was complete. We got took over after the contract ended, which is where I think the issue arises and what the conflict is He was on the retained list published on EFL website. So was Buchanan. We don't know what the conflict is but reasonable to guess that Byrne doesn't fancy playing in League One. Rich84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, jono said: Good point. The vagaries of contract law are interesting (I am not a lawyer) consider even signage for for car parks. By entering you might be committing to a contract but that depends on where the signs were placed, how big they are and a raft of other stuff. like you I reckon the silence is a sign that negotiations are taking place rather than a petulant walk out. My hope is that there's been no communication forthcoming from either Byrne or the club as they both are engaged in trying to resolve the issue behind closed doors so anything discussed is a totally private matter between the two parties which is the mature way to go about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Hans Datdo-Dishes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unlucky Alf said: Then surely to christ he's under contract, If he's playing the "TUPE" card then this opens up a hornets nest with other players who are still in contract from other teams who go into Admin ?♀️ Alf Its the way we came out of Admin that the issue, because we came out as an Asset purchase rather than a Share purchase a new legal entity for the club had to be created, you can see this in the Companies House records, if I remember correctly the name of the new entity is the same as the old one but with the words "The Rams" in the middle. Some of the players have received legal advice that because their contract is with the old club legal entity there is no contract between them and the new legal entity. Others players have been happy to accept employment under the new legal entity. Its quite a complicated issue and it will be interesting to see how it turns out, it could be argued that players are a club asset as they are written down in the accounts in that manner. Time and the application of money will sort it all out. Edited July 25, 2022 by Elwood P Dowd Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 He will lose a season of his career and end up on poorer money afterwards most likely. Knob head. CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: Think I've seen this somewhere before??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Elwood P Dowd said: Alf Its the way we came out of Admin that the issue, because we came out as an Asset purchase rather than a Share purchase a new legal entity for the club had to be created, you can see this in the Companies House records, if I remember correctly the name of the new entity is the same as the old one but with the words "The Rams" in the middle. Some of the players have received legal advice that because their contract is with the old club legal entity there is no contract between them and the new legal entity. Others players have been happy to accept employment under the new legal entity. Its quite a complicated issue and it will be interesting to see how it turns out, it could be argued that players are a club asset as they are written down in the accounts in that manner. Time and the application of money will sort it all out. Then he should take legal action against the club the EFL the FA as well probably if he believes he is correct. Unlike most business transfers he was an asset that was sold to a new owner under a registration that allows him to conduct professional duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Think I've seen this somewhere before??? Yes and Nathan looks smaller than I remember ? CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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