PistoldPete Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Well to state the obvious point, no, Boro were never going to sue under 4.4 because the rule says they can’t! They use the word cheating because this was a PR battle as well as blackmail. And breach of FFP can quite easily be described as cheating You’re right of course that not every breach of the rules is actionable by other clubs, for many reasons. I listed some of these in a post to you yesterday (implied terms, loss was not ‘foreseeable’, claimant failed to mitigate) Would be interesting to know on what basis Q’s 3 QCs advised that Boro would lose - could have been a few grounds some of which you allude to So isn't blackmail "cheating"/ acting without utmost good faith? Isn't trying to conduct litigation via media in quite a senationalist way a breach of utmost good faith? And actually "cheating " seems to me (and others better qualified than me in these things) the same as acting without utmost good faith. And if you are claiming for something you reasonably ought to know you can't (Morris said they referred to 4.4 in the original claim) isnt that acting without utmost good faith? Anyone asked Mr Parry about 4.4 and why he isnt taking action against Boro? Edited February 15, 2022 by PistoldPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said: Read what you've just quoted back, its nonsensical. You're right Tyler...it's Gobbledegook...lacisnesnon Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Wake me up when it’s got less boring on this thread. ??? Kathcairns and GenBr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Wake me up when it’s got less boring on this thread. ??? Few more minutes yet Dean RadioactiveWaste, ramit, Dean (hick) Saunders and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Wake me up when it’s got less boring on this thread. ??? Boring is fine. It means we haven't been liquidated yet, so I will take boring for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 As all my fellow mechanical engineering colleagues use to say "The yellow pages had it right, Boring - see civil engineers" oh we laughed and fate landed me working with an endless number of geologists. GenBr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Just now, Tyler Durden said: How would you describe Mel Morris' time as Derby County owner in one gif? Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Few more minutes yet Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: As all my fellow mechanical engineering colleagues use to say "The yellow pages had it right, Boring - see civil engineers" oh we laughed and fate landed me working with an endless number of geologists. Think all jobs have similar - accountancy its actuaries, tax accountants its auditors, etc etc. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Anyone asked Mr Parry about 4.4 and why he isnt taking action against Boro? The utmost good faith requirement in 4.4 is very limited. It only requires utmost good faith re FFP matters. So blackmailing another club would not be caught! Anyway I think it would take extraordinary circumstances for EFl to take action under 4.4 The Rick Parry response to i-ram’s question on 4.4 was gibberish Has caused endless confusion on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Wake me up when it’s got less boring on this thread. ??? 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: The utmost good faith requirement in 4.4 is very limited. It only requires utmost good faith re FFP matters. So blackmailing another club would not be caught! Anyway I think it would take extraordinary circumstances for EFl to take action under 4.4 The Rick Parry response to i-ram’s question on 4.4 was gibberish Has caused endless confusion on here Really? Blackmailing another club is not caught by 4.4? What if Boro had got compo from DCFC by these tactics? Wouldn't that be an unfair advantage? in breach of a requirement not to do anything "which is intended to seek to or take any unfair advantage"? Anyway I hope Gibbo chokes on his champage and caviar. But doesn't die. I'm only having a party when Derby County survive. Indyram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Think all jobs have similar - accountancy its actuaries, tax accountants its auditors, etc etc. Now just a minute....... ? CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Now just a minute....... ? I was always told Actuaries were simply Accountants who couldn’t stand the excitement. CBRammette, Comrade 86, Miggins and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I was always told Actuaries were simply Accountants who couldn’t stand the excitement. I once read an article, by an accountant, in Accountancy Today magazine, he wrote that there are only 3 types of accountants, those that can count and those that can’t count. Edited February 15, 2022 by Elwood P Dowd i-Ram, Animal is a Ram, Miggins and 7 others 1 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Really? Blackmailing another club is not caught by 4.4? What if Boro had got compo from DCFC by these tactics? Wouldn't that be an unfair advantage? in breach of a requirement not to do anything "which is intended to seek to or take any unfair advantage"? Anyway I hope Gibbo chokes on his champage and caviar. But doesn't die. I'm only having a party when Derby County survive. Blackmailing another club does not breach the FFP rules. So cannot be caught by 4.4 Frankly I think Boro’s behaviour was despicable but their infuriating response to the charge of extortion would be “we are entitled to enforce our legal rights” Quite hard to prove what their motives were ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 06/02/2022 at 21:24, MikeS said: Thinking back, how on earth did he go with Bennett, after Marriott's performance at Leeds? Bizarre, a case of over-thinking or thinking wrongly? Making sure he would be able to waltz of to Stamford Bridge. Ted McMinn Football Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I was always told Actuaries were simply Accountants who couldn’t stand the excitement. That's a terrible slur and 72.94 % of my actuary colleagues agree. i-Ram and Phoenix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: Sorry, got my Wycombe's and Rotherham muddled, but I knew it wasn't a case of just one of us and the Wendies that could go down... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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