QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: I think the problem with Jozwiak is if he had a one off bad mistake which cost us the game most people can accept it and say he’s won us more points than he’s lost but I feel that is not the case and he is currently taking a position in the team and it’s like playing with ten men. I don’t know what was said or shouted but I’d guess it was about coming from Poland. If you make homophobic slur to someone who isn’t homosexual is it a homophobic slur? I don’t know much about these kind of things. Polish isn’t a race is it? Surely it would be xenophobic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Polish isn’t a race is it? Surely it would be xenophobic ? Like I say I’m no expert and I’m not sure what what they heard but you maybe right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: Like I say I’m no expert and I’m not sure what what they heard but you maybe right. For what it’s worth I agree that it was probably more of a Nigel Clough style comment than “racist” but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, WilkoRam said: I think, having looked at it again, he was expecting their guy to be on the outside and positioned himself for that, but didn’t look, when he realised he was inside it was too late. But the cross still needs to be defended. Byrne is in there and then stops, where their guy doesn’t. Fozzy, Joz and Byrne all should do better. And that’s the reality. It was a game of football. A usually alert player made an error, as others did during the game. This somehow crystallises in to promising young player being subject to character assassination. I’m dropping off the forum for a day or two because I find the bratty childish, nasty finger pointing so distasteful and destructive I can’t be bothered to comment further. … So see you all Thursday/Friday next week, hopefully the adhd kids will be in bed by then. angieram, Andicis, Kingpin and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 You’ve got to feel sorry for Joz. He came here to progress his career but it has been an absolute nightmare from the start. He was probably sold on Phillip Cocu’s ability to develop youngsters (something proven) and the idea of playing alongside an influential Wayne Rooney. What he soon found out was our former manager was severely undermined and restricted, later being dismissed while Rooney the player post lockdown was clearly unfit for Championship standard. He was dreadful. Throw in the absolute turmoil off the field, his close friend Bielik picking up a lengthy injury, Wayne Rooney’s questionable tactics and an inexperienced coaching staff and it couldn’t have gone much worse for the guy. Who would blame him if he wanted out? I’m sure he is professional and will try his best but deep down he is probably wishing he never came here. DCFC Kicks, Dimmu, CBRammette and 10 others 8 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: For what it’s worth I agree that it was probably more of a Nigel Clough style comment than “racist” but who knows. Oh that's okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Bris Vegas said: You’ve got to feel sorry for Joz. He came here to progress his career but it has been an absolute nightmare from the start. He was probably sold on Phillip Cocu’s ability to develop youngsters (something proven) and the idea of playing alongside an influential Wayne Rooney. What he soon found out was our former manager was severely undermined and restricted, later being dismissed while Rooney the player post lockdown was clearly unfit for Championship standard. He was dreadful. Throw in the absolute turmoil off the field, his close friend Bielik picking up a lengthy injury, Wayne Rooney’s questionable tactics and an inexperienced coaching staff and it couldn’t have gone much worse for the guy. Who would blame him if he wanted out? I’m sure he is professional and will try his best but deep down he is probably wishing he never came here. His only hope is hanging on for a manager or coach that can work with him and develop him to his true potential.....someone like Mac or wassell would suit him down to the ground and the style of play would too. Just depends how much patience he has though. DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh that's okay then. It wouldn’t really matter if he came from Outer Mongolia he was crap but I doubt the country he was born in really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Just now, Gritstone Ram said: It wouldn’t really matter if he came from Outer Mongolia he was crap but I doubt the country he was born in really matters. Yet he's abused for it? You've not got the hang of racism have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yet he's abused for it? You've not got the hang of racism have you? Nationality isn’t a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Just now, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Nationality isn’t a race. Nit-picking doesn't make the abuse acceptable. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yet he's abused for it? You've not got the hang of racism have you? Obviously not does it count as racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Nit-picking doesn't make the abuse acceptable. Like I say if he came from England would it be any different? Edited August 14, 2021 by Gritstone Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Just now, Gritstone Ram said: Like I say if he came from England But he doesn't, like I say, and that is being used as a form of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But he doesn't, like I say, and that is being used as a form of abuse. But if he did would it still be abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But he doesn't, like I say, and that is being used as a form of abuse. So if I said Sibley you English banker that is not abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Would you like the five minute argument or the ten minute ? This is the second such what if question from you tonight, can’t make up my mind whether you are being deliberately obtuse or not. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Nit-picking doesn't make the abuse acceptable. Racial abuse is never acceptable full stop, telling somebody to go back to Lech Poznań (or where ever he came from) isn’t that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Just now, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Racial abuse is never acceptable full stop, telling somebody to go back to Lech Poznań (or where ever he came from) isn’t that. Is that what was said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Is that what was said? I have no idea but that’s the kind of scenario me and @Gritstone Ramwere discussing when you joined in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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