BBG83 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Jourdan said: Possibly higher with a very good manager A very good manager. Who? Klopp, Pep, Jose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justa Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 14 hours ago, S8TY said: I thought we played well against Forest and in spells in games we have played well and even the second half on saturday was much better than the first.....I beleive a decent striker or two would make a massive difference. The signing of Kazim Richards was alarm bells for some including myself....we are either totally skint or he is a stop gap to who we really want in Jan, but no doubt some just wanted us to sign our 4th or 5th choice maybe and end up with yet more players we have to get rid of....we have wasted so much money on dross like Anya,Butterfield and Blackman to name 3 and yet our business has been brilliant in the last window.....except....we did not get the striker or strikers we needed so there is more to this than we know like perhaps some investment to enable Cocu to get a couple of game changers in in Jan who knows. For Once our recruitment seemed spot on except the all important strikers we require so maybe Cocu was told wait until Jan and will have those players,but if anyone thinks Cocu is to blame for not bringing in the players he wanted then thats total nonsense......of those cacking themselves on here...we will not go down....its november and a long way to go.... Well there is going to have to be a massive change in form ! I wonder how many other teams have said this and then been relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 20 hours ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: A dire squad with no desire. But of course it’s the managers fault because he doesn’t rant and rave. I think they do have desire, you look at the body language post match and the comments they make, they are hurt by these results. They do care. It's the managers fault because nothing is working. We don't lay a glove on teams who have less quality than us. We fail to attack cohesively, we don't close down. Everything about the current setup is wrong and that's the managers responsibility. We're bottom of the league, get real. You can either let the rot continue or you can make a change which will highly likely turn things around. Fenerbahce didn't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Roy and Ella on Cocu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 hours ago, SouthernRam said: It is a far from ideal situation, but I still think Cocu should be sacked. Even with no new additions, a good manager should be able to get good results with a frontline from Waghorn, Jozwiak, Lawrence, Ibe, Rooney, Sibley, Marriott, Whittaker, CKR, JHI and Stretton. The key to success has always been stability. The sooner we bring in a new manager, the sooner he can assess the squad and decide what changes he wants to make in the summer. Sticking with Cocu is a greater risk than twisting. We know what we’re getting with Phil now - toothless, leaky, possession based football. Stability = Sack the manager From the players you listed.... Waghorn - Only just back from a long injury Jozwiak - Still getting used to the division Lawrence - Is just rubbish and should be binned off - but has also been injured Ibe - HASNT PLAYED A SINGLE SECOND.... Rooney - Again, been out for a couple of weeks, and is the only one who has won us a game Sibley - Only jut back from a long injury Marriott - Doesnt play for us Whittaker - You honestly think we arent getting the most out of him? you think he can get much better? im not so sure. CKR - Has hardly played JHI - Hasnt played Stretton - Hasnt played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Stability = Sack the manager From the players you listed.... Waghorn - Only just back from a long injury Jozwiak - Still getting used to the division Lawrence - Is just rubbish and should be binned off - but has also been injured Ibe - HASNT PLAYED A SINGLE SECOND.... Rooney - Again, been out for a couple of weeks, and is the only one who has won us a game Sibley - Only jut back from a long injury Marriott - Doesnt play for us Whittaker - You honestly think we arent getting the most out of him? you think he can get much better? im not so sure. CKR - Has hardly played JHI - Hasnt played Stretton - Hasnt played You make a very good point with Jozwiak who is understandly a really good player and one that you can tell from a mile off has a ton of potential. He's not really done a great deal yet.... perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to judge MTW on the same premise. I'm never expecting MTW to be to the standard Jozwiak is, but perhaps there is a chance he improves to be a good player? We could definitely use him in a back 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRam Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Stability = Sack the manager From the players you listed.... Waghorn - Only just back from a long injury Jozwiak - Still getting used to the division Lawrence - Is just rubbish and should be binned off - but has also been injured Ibe - HASNT PLAYED A SINGLE SECOND.... Rooney - Again, been out for a couple of weeks, and is the only one who has won us a game Sibley - Only jut back from a long injury Marriott - Doesnt play for us Whittaker - You honestly think we arent getting the most out of him? you think he can get much better? im not so sure. CKR - Has hardly played JHI - Hasnt played Stretton - Hasnt played At this rate we will become a stable League 1 club. Stability is important, but the manager has to be right. Cocu just doesn’t fit. Waghorn, Lawrence and Rooney are all underperforming. Whittaker has shown more than enough to be involved. Sibley has been available most of the season, he just doesn’t get picked. The others are all options for a new manager coming in. I believe Marriott has a recall clause in his loan. A new manager would 100% get more out of this front line with more positive, attacking tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, SouthernRam said: At this rate we will become a stable League 1 club. Stability is important, but the manager has to be right. Cocu just doesn’t fit. Waghorn, Lawrence and Rooney are all underperforming. Whittaker has shown more than enough to be involved. Sibley has been available most of the season, he just doesn’t get picked. The others are all options for a new manager coming in. I believe Marriott has a recall clause in his loan. A new manager would 100% get more out of this front line with more positive, attacking tactics. Sibley has been injured. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 82 pages of bullying leave him alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: That's often the impression you get when you watch teams that have been newly promoted that you know are on their way back down. No consistency, good spells, seem a bit unlucky, if only they had... Disagree Roy We won't go down , we'll end half way which is still dissapointing but we wont go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, S8TY said: Disagree Roy We won't go down , we'll end half way which is still dissapointing but we wont go down Whys that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, SouthernRam said: At this rate we will become a stable League 1 club. Stability is important, but the manager has to be right. Cocu just doesn’t fit. Waghorn, Lawrence and Rooney are all underperforming. Whittaker has shown more than enough to be involved. Sibley has been available most of the season, he just doesn’t get picked. The others are all options for a new manager coming in. I believe Marriott has a recall clause in his loan. A new manager would 100% get more out of this front line with more positive, attacking tactics. No manager at Debry has ever got anything out of Lawrence.....at least Cocu got him to get rid of Keogh for us... Sibley has been injured, and still doesnt look fully fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Whittaker - You honestly think we arent getting the most out of him? you think he can get much better? im not so sure. 1 start last season with 15 sub appearances, in those games he got 1 goal and 1 assist, which translates to 0.64 goals+assists per 90. This season he's started 1 league game and made 4 sub appearances. I think that's incredibly harsh to say he can't get much better, considering he's only 19 and hasn't even started more than 5 games in senior football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, Jubbs said: 1 start last season with 15 sub appearances, in those games he got 1 goal and 1 assist, which translates to 0.64 goals+assists per 90. This season he's started 1 league game and made 4 sub appearances. I think that's incredibly harsh to say he can't get much better, considering he's only 19 and hasn't even started more than 5 games in senior football. I said I’m not sure he can get much better... maybe he can, maybe he can’t, I’m not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Maybe Cocu is smarter than many think? For all we know, he could be on £10k a week, but with a £4m sacking clause should his contract be ended early or he be placed on gardening leave, maybe that's the set compensation should he wish to terminate early? Unlikely, but maybe he factored in our reputation into his deal? It's not beyond the realms of possibility, unlike the stated £90k a week deal mooted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBG83 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just watching ‘Everton - Howard’s Way’ on Sky. Prior to what he did for Everton, thousands of fans signed a petition to get rid of him. The media wanted him out too. Amazing how things can quickly change in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Whys that then? Why's what??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, S8TY said: Why's what??? The quote from you was in the rep!y I made so should have been self evident....however Why won't we go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: The quote from you was in the rep!y I made so should have been self evident....however Why won't we go down? As my wife says, that is for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 9 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Stability = Sack the manager From the players you listed.... Waghorn - Only just back from a long injury Jozwiak - Still getting used to the division Lawrence - Is just rubbish and should be binned off - but has also been injured Ibe - HASNT PLAYED A SINGLE SECOND.... Rooney - Again, been out for a couple of weeks, and is the only one who has won us a game Sibley - Only jut back from a long injury Marriott - Doesnt play for us Whittaker - You honestly think we arent getting the most out of him? you think he can get much better? im not so sure. CKR - Has hardly played JHI - Hasnt played Stretton - Hasnt played Whittaker was starting to really impact games then gets sent to the 23’s, Sibley missed about 2 games, not exactly a mega injury, he’s being criminally underused. Not sure how you can say Lawrence is rubbish when he was one of our standout players last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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