jono Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Van der MoodHoover said: I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Curtains....? You must be blind ! or did you have one of your blackouts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said: League 1 and 2 have agreed a cap https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/07/league-one-and-league-two-clubs-pass-vote-to-bring-in-salary-cap All well and good, but it just encourages "entrepreneurs" like MM to think up clever ways to circumvent the cap Quote Wages, bonuses, image rights and agents’ fees are covered by the cap. Seems so simple, but really it's just a challenge to think up other ways to remunerate players. Player's wives/brothers/kids/parents will end up on the payroll doing non-existent roles etc And it's almost like the REAL problem is hiding in plain sight Quote Cap will be £2.5m in League One and £1.5m in League Two In the Championship a salary cap of £18m-£20m has been proposed So in the Championship you could have a single player earning as much as a whole League 1 squad put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, SchtivePesley said: why has the edit function gone so tits up?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, ThePrisoner said: @Van Cone De Head has already made the move to OwlsTalk. My wage demands would cause a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, jono said: You must be blind ! or did you have one of your blackouts ? Curtains is being loaned to the Venezia forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Did someone just assume the gender of our hot shot lawyer? sexist pigs Lot on yer! It could be a woman you know! *she may have done the washing and pre made tea for her husband already, thus freeing up her valuable time to defend us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boycie said: Did someone just assume the gender of our hot shot lawyer? sexist pigs Lot on yer! It could be a woman you know! *she may have done the washing and pre made tea for her husband already, thus freeing up her valuable time to defend us. You are correct of course... Its a legal matter so no reason she couldn't do the job as well as a man, thankfully she doesn't need to know anything about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, SouthernRam said: In anticipation of today’s potential decision it would be interesting to see where opinion lies on... - Receiving a transfer embargo and no points deduction (i.e a season developing the youth with a much lower risk of relegation). OR - Receiving a points deduction but be free to trade players (i.e continue building Cocu’s vision with the prospect of promotion delayed another season). Not sure if either is particularly favourable to potential investors. Great question. If it was a binary one or the other choice, I'd personally prefer a transfer embargo & no points deduction. Even if we are allowed to make transfers, our budget is unlikely to be large given the financial hit from Covid & need to keep within FFP/P&S regulations going forward. I suspect we'd have needed to sell anyway to fund biggish signings. Chelsea's transfer embargo last season forced them to play their Academy products - unlikely Abraham, James, Gilmour, Tomori, Mount & Hudson-Odoi would have seen as much playing time if the embargo hadn't been in force & whilst they were sometimes inconsistent, still finished in a CL place. Whilst we are light in certain areas, it would force us to look for options within the squad (i.e. Evans converted to CB) & especially in the youth ranks. It could be the making of the next generation coming through - particularly up top & on the wings where sustained game time could give Hector-Ingram, Mitchell-Lawson, Whittaker & Wilson plenty of starts to cement a place. On the flip side, clawing back 12 points is achievable but a real ask & it pretty much torpedoes a top 6 challenge unless we were exceptional next season. We'd need circa 85 points just to finish top 6 and probably 95-100 points to finish top 2. The likelihood though is that anything other than a good start to the season would haul a load of pressure on the squad & see us bottom half for much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jono said: You must be blind ! or did you have one of your blackouts ? Pull yourselves together lads as you both seem a little drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: All well and good, but it just encourages "entrepreneurs" like MM to think up clever ways to circumvent the cap Seems so simple, but really it's just a challenge to think up other ways to remunerate players. Player's wives/brothers/kids/parents will end up on the payroll doing non-existent roles etc And it's almost like the REAL problem is hiding in plain sight So in the Championship you could have a single player earning as much as a whole League 1 squad put together. Is that per player or per squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 How can it work in the Championship with money laden clubs coming down from the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rampage said: Is that per player or per squad. L2 wage cap is £2.5m Rooney's salary is rumoured to be more than that. Lower end estimate of £50k per week = £2.6m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Why has the diet feature gone stit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rampage said: How can it work in the Championship with money laden clubs coming down from the Prem. The proposal was to 'assign' a salary to players at relegated clubs of £720k, unless they earn less than that already. This figure stands for 'x' number of years, or until the player signs a new contract (whichever comes first). Obviously if a club makes a signing after getting relegated, they have to register their true salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: L2 wage cap is £2.5m Rooney's salary is rumoured to be more than that. Lower end estimate of £50k per week = £2.6m Could L1 and L2 have someone not in their 22 man squad who is still being paid. If someone is long term injured can a club sign someone else whose wages would then break the overall wages barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECornerRAM Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: All well and good, but it just encourages "entrepreneurs" like MM to think up clever ways to circumvent the cap Seems so simple, but really it's just a challenge to think up other ways to remunerate players. Player's wives/brothers/kids/parents will end up on the payroll doing non-existent roles etc And it's almost like the REAL problem is hiding in plain sight So in the Championship you could have a single player earning as much as a whole League 1 squad put together. this is exactly it with 'creative accounting' it also states in the press release there is no cap on promotion bonuses or cup runs - for Sunderland they could theoretically put a £1m bonus to a top end player based on getting through round one of the EFL / checkatrade trophy as always half measures from the incompetent EFL - it's a tough job managing three leagues with such disparity of size / income / expenditure - however specialists in for specialists jobs - not an organisation made up with Rick Parry at the top followed by representatives from selected clubs with an obvious selected agenda (including Pearce from Derby in that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The proposal was to 'assign' a salary to players at relegated clubs of £720k, unless they earn less than that already. This figure stands for 'x' number of years, or until the player signs a new contract (whichever comes first). Obviously if a club makes a signing after getting relegated, they have to register their true salary. Many feathers will fly and all sorts of dodges will be invented. Jimmy Hill broke the £6 pw barrier for players.The times they are a changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rampage said: Could L1 and L2 have someone not in their 22 man squad who is still being paid. If someone is long term injured can a club sign someone else whose wages would then break the overall wages barrier. Good question and one I don’t know the answer to. If I had to guess, I’d say they can only remove players from their ‘registered list’ during transfer windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The answer my friend is a 'blowin in wind' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 hours Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just to clarify regarding L1 and L2 " League One and League Two Clubs opting to implement the new measures in place of the existing Salary Cost Management Protocols (SCMP), with fixed caps of £2.5million and £1.5million respectively. Discussions continue with Championship Clubs in respect to amendments to their own financial controls. League One and Two Clubs are also going to continue discussions towards the introduction of additional measures aimed at addressing Club financial sustainability." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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