TuffLuff Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ramarena said: Possible, although there’s a lot of moving parts for him and he may miss out in general! Hes clearly been left on the shelf as if he was in demand he’d have a contract by now. He may get offered a contract by a decent champ team after they have exhausted their other options and he becomes an option. He may never get a decent contract from a decent Champ team after waiting it out. He may decide to come back to us but we’ve found the players we want and the offer/budget for him no longer exists. When he left I thought it was a risky move given the state of football at present and nothing has changed my mind since. Not sure where he will end up.......but I’m betting it won’t be what he was hoping for! Because of the market he could end up in any of the three divisions. A prem side may see him as a gamble but a decent sub option on relatively ok wages. A champ side who can offer him a better package than Derby can currently League 1 with ambitions of promotion on a decent contract. Thing is I can’t see him saying no to Derby without a better option in the pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramarena said: Possible, although there’s a lot of moving parts for him and he may miss out in general! Hes clearly been left on the shelf as if he was in demand he’d have a contract by now. He may get offered a contract by a decent champ team after they have exhausted their other options and he becomes an option. He may never get a decent contract from a decent Champ team after waiting it out. He may decide to come back to us but we’ve found the players we want and the offer/budget for him no longer exists. When he left I thought it was a risky move given the state of football at present and nothing has changed my mind since. Not sure where he will end up.......but I’m betting it won’t be what he was hoping for! I don't blame Martin for going out and seeing his 'market value' and I don't doubt we offered a significant wage reduction to stick around. I just don't see many clubs offering anything close to what he was getting, I mean he's done poorly in his last two loan spells. I think it just makes sense that we offer him a fair deal to stick around and he will take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I think it just makes sense that we offer him a fair deal to stick around and he will take it. Didn’t we do that and he left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I don't blame Martin for going out and seeing his 'market value' and I don't doubt we offered a significant wage reduction to stick around. I just don't see many clubs offering anything close to what he was getting, I mean he's done poorly in his last two loan spells. I think it just makes sense that we offer him a fair deal to stick around and he will take it. Agreed, I was happy for him to stay. We don’t know the figures but obviously we are only willing to offer him x amount of our budget. Not sure if it’s fair or not, but it’s what we are offering in what is now most definitely a buyers market as far as out of contract players go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TuffLuff said: Because of the market he could end up in any of the three divisions. A prem side may see him as a gamble but a decent sub option on relatively ok wages. A champ side who can offer him a better package than Derby can currently League 1 with ambitions of promotion on a decent contract. Thing is I can’t see him saying no to Derby without a better option in the pipeline Can’t see him getting a Prem deal. Champ he’s certainly good enough for but there’s huge completion for squad places and dwindling budgets at most clubs. I don’t think he’s going to get many better offers from our rivals unless our offer was crazy low. I doubt anyone in league one could afford to better our offer given the state of finances! Depends what’s important to him in suppose, we all assume it’s money but maybe it’s something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ramarena said: Can’t see him getting a Prem deal. Champ he’s certainly good enough for but there’s huge completion for squad places and dwindling budgets at most clubs. I don’t think he’s going to get many better offers from our rivals unless our offer was crazy low. I doubt anyone in league one could afford to better our offer given the state of finances! Depends what’s important to him in suppose, we all assume it’s money but maybe it’s something else? Well yeah, I’m not sure many champ clubs or league 1 clubs are going to afford him or would have enough to entice him away. That’s why it’s logical that there may be a prem club being interested. I’m not saying he’d go and be a week in/week out, but all things considered he could probably pick up a decent wage at a lower end club and play a minimal bit part and be pretty happy with it. It’s not likely and I’m not being daft and saying he’s defo premiership level, but it’s not too big a stretch to think that it’s the option he wanted to persue. His stats are decent and because of age/health he’d be pretty happy to be in the background, so it’s a reasonable gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Well yeah, I’m not sure many champ clubs or league 1 clubs are going to afford him or would have enough to entice him away. That’s why it’s logical that there may be a prem club being interested. I’m not saying he’d go and be a week in/week out, but all things considered he could probably pick up a decent wage at a lower end club and play a minimal bit part and be pretty happy with it. It’s not likely and I’m not being daft and saying he’s defo premiership level, but it’s not too big a stretch to think that it’s the option he wanted to persue. His stats are decent and because of age/health he’d be pretty happy to be in the background, so it’s a reasonable gamble. It’s possible but IMO it’s highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, David said: Didn’t we do that and he left? How do we know what he was offered and if it was fair? (as per Bennett's 'apology',it's an unknown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 hours ago, TuffLuff said: League 1 with ambitions of promotion on a decent contract. With the new salary cap in League 1, I would say this will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 hours ago, TuffLuff said: Because of the market he could end up in any of the three divisions. A prem side may see him as a gamble but a decent sub option on relatively ok wages. A champ side who can offer him a better package than Derby can currently League 1 with ambitions of promotion on a decent contract. Thing is I can’t see him saying no to Derby without a better option in the pipeline Sorry. This is just a wild guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: How do we know what he was offered and if it was fair? (as per Bennett's 'apology',it's an unknown) True, I’ll give you that one. Cocu made his feelings known, giving the club the benefit of the doubt they have made a fair offer knowing how Mel backs his manager 100% until the day they leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Came across an old tweet from (not) Chris Martin, still as pertinent today! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Are we really talking Martin being signed by a prem team???? This whole Martin thing gets more and more bizarre by the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Another old tweet (gotta keep hoping)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Sorry. This is just a wild guess. I mean, it was all a guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 That Martin//Vydra thing was a bit tedious, wannit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, cannable said: That Martin//Vydra thing was a bit tedious, wannit? Yep, why Rowett never played them up front together is a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: Yep, why Rowett never played them up front together is a travesty. I think they’d have taken up each other’s spaces to be honest Martin’s more of a Sherringham/Goddard type than an out and out #9. He drops into the pockets and looks to play. He just has the physicality to compete for goal kicks. Vydra would start in the pockets, get the ball, turn and run. That being said, Martin’s intelligent and Vydra was more of a striker at Watford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Another old tweet (gotta keep hoping)... I miss him I miss him so much...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 20/08/2020 at 21:52, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Yeah because Vydra didn’t score more in his golden boot season than Martin ever managed. Martin in 13/14 scored more than Vydra in 17/18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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