Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Ellafella said: To be fair I didn’t say they were clueless. But let’s analyse ways of playing. So you have a tried and proven player, who scores & unlocks defences with his touches and who is an intelligent player and a leader and you say “oh I don’t want to play that way”. . . Can you explain why you wouldn’t want those qualities. . . What system actually doesn’t require speed of thought, deft touches, hold-up play, 2 feet, 360 degree vision? Lampard may be excused because I suspect CM’s illness was impacting when Lampard arrived and he needed to make rapid decisions in a short time {given Lampard’s agenda}; there is a saying which goes, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. In short football is a simple game; don’t complicate it by overthinking and tinkering. Never said YOU said clueless but lots do on here? there are lots of managers who would not pick Chris Martin ? chris Martin needs midfield runners going beyond him and the ball , listen to his interviews and he makes that clear himself, play with a more ridged structure with your striker meant to run channels or play on the shoulder then Martin is isolated and is robbed of the best part of his game ,used that way he quickly loses heart can flounce around in a strop , if you are pretending that’s not the case and Martin is a must for any manager in any system then your not really looking to debate with open mind just protect a fav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Archied said: Never said YOU said clueless but lots do on here? there are lots of managers who would not pick Chris Martin ? Chris Martin needs midfield runners going beyond him and the ball , listen to his interviews and he makes that clear himself, FFS! You make it sound like Martin plays some weird esoteric brand of football that is unique to him! If we had wingers and he was playing up top he'd be knocking them in for fun. About the only style of football that Martin can't play is hitting a long ball to be chased at speed ala Vydra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: FFS! You make it sound like Martin plays some weird esoteric brand of football that is unique to him! If we had wingers and he was playing up top he'd be knocking them in for fun. About the only style of football that Martin can't play is hitting a long ball to be chased at speed ala Vydra. Only in the same way the Martin obsessive s cry to build a team round him, play to his strengths , why is that ok then ? martin is a very solid player and I’m very happy to see him back in the reckoning and doing well ,personally if cocu is around then I would look to get Martin on a two year contract now , that does not mean that Martin is always first name on team sheet, Martin does not have his weaknesses, does not have his games where he’s as much use as a chocolate fire guard , there’s a difference between being a Derby fan and being a Chris Martin fan which some on here openly admit are the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Archied said: Never said YOU said clueless but lots do on here? there are lots of managers who would not pick Chris Martin ? chris Martin needs midfield runners going beyond him and the ball , listen to his interviews and he makes that clear himself, play with a more ridged structure with your striker meant to run channels or play on the shoulder then Martin is isolated and is robbed of the best part of his game ,used that way he quickly loses heart can flounce around in a strop , if you are pretending that’s not the case and Martin is a must for any manager in any system then your not really looking to debate with open mind just protect a fav Don't think these things are the main issue. For the Derby managers who rejected Martin I think it is his inability to take part in a high pressing defensive style. He is simply too slow. Lampard preferred Nugent, even though he wasn't scoring. I presume that's why Cocu did not play Martin against Fulham and was the right decision. Your clearly obsessed - who has ever said 'Martin is a must for any manager'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Archied said: Only in the same way the Martin obsessive s cry to build a team round him, play to his strengths , why is that ok then ? martin is a very solid player and I’m very happy to see him back in the reckoning and doing well ,personally if cocu is around then I would look to get Martin on a two year contract now , that does not mean that Martin is always first name on team sheet, Martin does not have his weaknesses, does not have his games where he’s as much use as a chocolate fire guard , there’s a difference between being a Derby fan and being a Chris Martin fan which some on here openly admit are the latter Your observation that both sides of the Martin debate can come across as obsessive is quite correct. However you have regurgitated this argument so many times that you are beginning to sound obsessive yourself. It is also possible to be a Derby fan and a Martin fan at the same time. It has been mentioned that there were morons at the game Sunday still abusing him despite him putting in a MOM performance. Admittedly I'm disappointed when I see his name omitted from the team sheet but only because I enjoy watching his style of play. I won't however sit there all game hoping we lose and abusing whomever takes his place. I'll still want the team to win/ play well regardless of if he's in the team or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, DRBee said: Don't think these things are the main issue. For the Derby managers who rejected Martin I think it is his inability to take part in a high pressing defensive style. He is simply too slow. Lampard preferred Nugent, even though he wasn't scoring. I presume that's why Cocu did not play Martin against Fulham and was the right decision. Your clearly obsessed - who has ever said 'Martin is a must for any manager'? obsessed or responding to the obsessed ? , follow the thread and answers and it’s quite clear to the unbiased eye , he has good points and bad points he’s not the cover all answer to everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Archied said: there’s a difference between being a Derby fan and being a Chris Martin fan which some on here openly admit are the latter What do you mean by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 i am a Derby fan and a Martin fan , as ive said before we look a lot better side with Chris Martin leading the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, DRBee said: Don't think these things are the main issue. For the Derby managers who rejected Martin I think it is his inability to take part in a high pressing defensive style. He is simply too slow. Lampard preferred Nugent, even though he wasn't scoring. I presume that's why Cocu did not play Martin against Fulham and was the right decision. Your clearly obsessed - who has ever said 'Martin is a must for any manager'? Although, Frank’s now been forced into playing Giroud who is the Uber Martin and Chelsea have just put in their best performance of the season sooooo… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, rynny said: What do you mean by this? ??? There have been posters who openly said they are more Chris Martin fan than Derby fan ,,fact perhaps 3 Chris Martin threads is the right route , Chris Martin positive only , Chris Martin negative only ,, Chris Martin balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, cannable said: Although, Frank’s now been forced into playing Giroud who is the Uber Martin and Chelsea have just put in their best performance of the season sooooo… Sooooo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Premier ram said: i am a Derby fan and a Martin fan , as ive said before we look a lot better side with Chris Martin leading the line I really can’t understand how people don’t see this. Baffling ?♂️?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Think of a Kevin spacey thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Archied said: ??? There have been posters who openly said they are more Chris Martin fan than Derby fan ,,fact perhaps 3 Chris Martin threads is the right route , Chris Martin positive only , Chris Martin negative only ,, Chris Martin balanced I must have missed that, which posters, do you mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Archied said: ??? There have been posters who openly said they are more Chris Martin fan than Derby fan ,,fact Really??? Can't say I can recall seeing this. Btw the 3 separate threads is not a bad idea. It may stop the endless going around in circles arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Archied said: Think of a Kevin spacey thriller Baby diver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, rynny said: I must have missed that, which posters, do you mind me asking? Without trawling through The last couple of years of Chris Martin stuff I can’t tell you with certainty but I can tell you it’s been said by at least two posters and stood out as pretty bizarre at the time , you could say I’m talking rot if that fits or you could be honest and say yep there is and has been that kind of unbalanced view on Martin ,whichever you find easiest or fits your view is ok with me ,, that said the overly negative opinions and posts on Martin are just as bizarre for a player that’s been very good at the club too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Archied said: Without trawling through The last couple of years of Chris Martin stuff I can’t tell you with certainty but I can tell you it’s been said by at least two posters and stood out as pretty bizarre at the time , you could say I’m talking rot if that fits or you could be honest and say yep there is and has been that kind of unbalanced view on Martin ,whichever you find easiest or fits your view is ok with me ,, that said the overly negative opinions and posts on Martin are just as bizarre for a player that’s been very good at the club too Whatever fits my view? And what is my view? If I'm honest? Honest about what? That I should take you at your word, without any proof, not even a name, on something that you are not 100% certain about. I think I have read almost every post on the forum, especially on Martin, and like I said, I don't remember anyone making such claims, I know there are a couple of posters that post like that but none that are Martin fans first. I have responded to a post on Thursday moaning about Martin not playing against Utd and stated that I would rather have him play 90 mins against Blackburn. I find it bizarre when people attack others for being positive about players, the club, the manager etc etc. It makes them look negative, it also boosts the positivity of the positive people which leads to more hyperbole. Just look at the thread b4 created about reaching the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, rynny said: Whatever fits my view? And what is my view? If I'm honest? Honest about what? That I should take you at your word, without any proof, not even a name, on something that you are not 100% certain about. I think I have read almost every post on the forum, especially on Martin, and like I said, I don't remember anyone making such claims, I know there are a couple of posters that post like that but none that are Martin fans first. I have responded to a post on Thursday moaning about Martin not playing against Utd and stated that I would rather have him play 90 mins against Blackburn. I find it bizarre when people attack others for being positive about players, the club, the manager etc etc. It makes them look negative, it also boosts the positivity of the positive people which leads to more hyperbole. Just look at the thread b4 created about reaching the play offs. Have it your own way ,never happened and I’m making it up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 ONE THREAD CHRIS MARTIN THREAD THIS THREAD For goodness sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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