DerpyDane Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Surprised to see so many outs after todays performance. Effort and work rate was miles better than in recent games, Malones stupidity killed the game for us. You can rightly criticize Cocu for alot this season, but don't think this one is on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DerpyDane said: Surprised to see so many outs after todays performance. Effort and work rate was miles better than in recent games, Malones stupidity killed the game for us. You can rightly criticize Cocu for alot this season, but don't think this one is on him. Except that he picked the guy ahead of Lowe, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Stoke thought getting rid of Rowett would improve their teams fortunes. Then they thought getting rid of Nathan Jones would improve their fortunes, but he couldn't get the best out of then, so had to go. Soon they'll decide that the newest incumbent, Michael O'Neill, has got to go. He's not getting anything out of them either. Now most of them realise that their team is rotten to the core despite having a number of players people looking in from the outside might think are quality championship players. Sometimes there's nothing a manager, any manager, can do to halt a decline. Get a ducking grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, DerpyDane said: Surprised to see so many outs after todays performance. Effort and work rate was miles better than in recent games, Malones stupidity killed the game for us. You can rightly criticize Cocu for alot this season, but don't think this one is on him. Who picked Malone? Who left on 'couldn't hit a barn door' Waghorn? Need a goal-poacher leave him on the bench. Play Fozzy at CH after a poor showing, why not Wizzy? Etc, he makes lots of 'odd' decisions. Plus he's obviously not a 'lucky' manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Unfair result today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, wixman1884 said: This is the bones of a team that has been in or around the playoffs for the last 6 years. We're currently in 17th. We have far from the best squad in the league, but they are underperforming massively and that falls on the manager. I'd take a mid table finish and a "transition" season if there was any glimmer of improvement week after week or any sign that we were building towards something. We're just hopeless and getting worse with every performance. The very bare bones. Getting fed up of these nonsense responses. This team was lower midtable last season when just without Mount. Take out 6 other senior players who played a massive part in that and it doesn't take Sherlock to work out we are in not a good team. Bielik is clearly taking time to adapt to this level and he is the only new addition up to it. Has this performance been that bad? Hit the post, hit the bar, denied a penalty. Probably been the better team despite having 10 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Topram said: Unfair result today They always are in a relegation season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC27 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: It would but this bloke in charge can’t make the best of anything regardless of transfers If Mel sticks by his man you’ll see next year. Unlike other teams in our situation we can actually see a style being implemented, if this was a Gary Rowett type manager then yes worry but Cocu is trying to transform the whole club not just the first 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DCFC27 said: ...but Cocu is trying to transform the whole club not just the first 11 The Academy was doing fine before Cocu - he didn't bring in any of the current youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, DCFC27 said: If Mel sticks by his man you’ll see next year. Unlike other teams in our situation we can actually see a style being implemented, if this was a Gary Rowett type manager then yes worry but Cocu is trying to transform the whole club not just the first 11 The only style I can see being implemented is losing away games without scoring or do you allude to something else that I can't see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Dhabi Ram Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Jeez people, you wanted a rebuild, just be patient. We know this group of players bottle it at every hurdle, Cocu knows this now and we have to give him a couple of windows to sort it out. The best team we had in the last ten years was Cloughs team when Mac took it over, but it took time. We need to show that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, Abu Dhabi Ram said: The best team we had in the last ten years was Cloughs team when Mac took it over, but it took time. We need to show that again. Yeah, but Clough didn't do it did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, DCFC27 said: If Mel sticks by his man you’ll see next year. Unlike other teams in our situation we can actually see a style being implemented, if this was a Gary Rowett type manager then yes worry but Cocu is trying to transform the whole club not just the first 11 What style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Abu Dhabi Ram said: Jeez people, you wanted a rebuild, just be patient. We know this group of players bottle it at every hurdle, Cocu knows this now and we have to give him a couple of windows to sort it out. The best team we had in the last ten years was Cloughs team when Mac took it over, but it took time. We need to show that again. If he’s seen this, why is he still picking them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Dhabi Ram Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 But he did... it was his team. Even George Thorne was scouted by clough's team previously. I would also bet we would be a lot better off now had we stuck with Clough, but that is another story. McLaren brought short term entertainment but doubled the wage bill. You could also argue that his spending has led us to this point. Cocu is starting out like Clough was, it will take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Cocu needs at least 2 transfer windows. If he’s still struggling this time next year then we can ask the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, Abu Dhabi Ram said: But he did... it was his team. Even George Thorne was scouted by clough's team previously. I would also bet we would be a lot better off now had we stuck with Clough, but that is another story. McLaren brought short term entertainment but doubled the wage bill. You could also argue that his spending has led us to this point. Cocu is starting out like Clough was, it will take time. Are you smoking crack? Who did McClaren sign for big money and wages? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimsbyRam Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Abu Dhabi Ram said: But he did... it was his team. Even George Thorne was scouted by clough's team previously. I would also bet we would be a lot better off now had we stuck with Clough, but that is another story. McLaren brought short term entertainment but doubled the wage bill. You could also argue that his spending has led us to this point. Cocu is starting out like Clough was, it will take time. Surely it was Clement's spending lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikh n Bake Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, Coconut said: Stoke thought getting rid of Rowett would improve their teams fortunes. Then they thought getting rid of Nathan Jones would improve their fortunes, but he couldn't get the best out of then, so had to go. Soon they'll decide that the newest incumbent, Michael O'Neill, has got to go. He's not getting anything out of them either. Now most of them realise that their team is rotten to the core despite having a number of players people looking in from the outside might think are quality championship players. Sometimes there's nothing a manager, any manager, can do to halt a decline. Get a ducking grip. Just admit you were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I’ve got absolutely no respect for about 70% of our current team. My anger is currently directed at these bunch of useless players rather than a manager with clear pedigree. I’m furious at individual errors that have messed us up, from all of the penalty misses at the start of the season, from Waghorn giving that stupid penalty away against West Brom, from Forsyth being responsible for 3/4 goals on his own in the last 3 matches. Sick to the back teeth of a lack of quality and a lack of getting the basics right. It ain’t Cocus fault that these clowns can’t pass to a bloke on their team 15 yards away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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