inter politics Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Why do such good relationships at DCFC have to come to such an ugly end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintingstandsatderby Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, therealhantsram said: They aren't similar though. The others are still able to perform the duties specified on their contract. The misconduct for which he has been sacked is similar, which is the key point. You could rightly argue that the other two are even more at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Anyone know enough about employment/contract law to shed any light on if this is legal or not? If it's not then it could end up costing us more in legal fees and payouts than we have saved by punting him surely? His only defense will be that Bennett/Lawrence didn't get an equal punishment. Reality is the minute you do something that will prevent you doing your job due to your own actions then gross misconduct is on the books. It'd be exactly the same for virtually any job out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The club must have something else on him that they are not letting on. That's my suspicion anyway (only my opinion). Either way, a man who has been richly rewarded for the 'work' he has done chose to throw away a life that most people can only dream of by getting into a car with a drunk driver, resulting in him not being able to fulfill his side of the contract with the club (it seems often forgotten these days that footballer's contracts work both ways). He has then (apparently) refused to take a cut in his already lucrative pay, which would have been the honorable thing to do and which would have happened to most of us in the real world. So he's been sacked. I'm playing a tune on a very small violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said: What might this mean for the already fragile Lawrence ? Knowing that his actions have cost his team mate his career, he might struggle to come to terms with this. Also, Keogh has bound to have some of the players on his side so will they spit their dummies out ? What a mess The problem is, none of us know how the evening panned out. We're all assuming everyone got in the car(s) voluntarily. We're all assuming everyone made "their own decisions". If Lawrence "encouraged" Keogh to accept a lift home, then yes, maybe he is feeling even lower this evening. If Keogh "encouraged" Lawrence to grab his keys, jump in the car, and give his captain (Think supervisor in a factory... the first in a line of superiors!) a lift home, despite Lawrence's (weak?) protestations, then maybe Lawrence is now thinking "Good riddance/Serves you right"! Maybe it's Lawrence that feels badly let down by his immediate superior? Pure speculation(s) on my part of course, but that's all we have. I suspect the club (now) have the facts. I suspect they would have taken legal advise before threatening/carrying out a sacking. I hasten to add, none of the above has any basis of fact, but I thought seeing as the whole thread is based on "What if's", I'd risk adding another possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Refusing to take a paycut smacks of not taking responsibility, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Andicis said: I'm glad. 25k a week for someone who can't play until next year is ludicrous, if Keogh was offered a paycut and turned it down he is a bit ridiculous. It's not though it would have been Hobson's choice. I have been in similar situations with staff where they have been advised that they can either quit and get paid their notice period and leave with a reference or face a disciplinary where they would infer that the likely outcome would be them getting dismissed without overtly stating that and leaving immediately with nothing. Roll the dice at your peril. With someone with less than 2 years service then the risk to the business is reduced even further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Carnero said: This is it in a nutshell. Keogh is not fit and available to do his job due to his own recklessness. The other two are. No employer would pay £25k per week (£2.2m total) to an employee who couldn't work due to their own out-of-hours stupidity. I would understand if the club had used that reasoning in the statement. However, they chose to focus on the morality of his actions, not his ability to do his job. They’re either being thick or disingenuous. My money is on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: They aren't similar though. The others are still able to perform the duties specified on their contract. Having seen Lawrence 'play' for the last two and a bit seasons, I'm not entirely sure that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jimmy Skitz said: yes but making financial sense isn't legal grounds for sacking, you told him to take a pay cut or he's fired, either what he did deserved the sack or it didn't. It would have been much simpler to have released him, paying off his contract, then he has no come back Legally the club may feel he has no come back for not wearing a seat belt, that if factual, possibly rules out any insurance claims. End result, maybe he broke his contractual terms by illegal actions that now prevent him from fulfilling his contract. Just hypothesis but would seem a credible argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I would understand if the club had used that reasoning in the statement. However, they chose to focus on the morality of his actions, not his ability to do his job. They’re either being thick or disingenuous. My money is on the latter. I don't see a statement anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Breaking news: At a meeting earlier at pride park, Richard Keogh is reported to have turned up at a disciplinary meeting with Derby owner mel morris clutching a bottle of jack daniels and hopping round the office exclaiming 'im a pogo stick, im a pogo stick'. When asked to show more professionalism keogh is reported to have hopped round to the back of mr morris chair and commenced 20 minutes worth of singing 'the lion sleeps tonight' while playing mr morris head like a bongo. Some or all of the above may not be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The biggest mistake is not how they have dealt with Keogh but reinstating the other two far too soon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Derby's statement read: "Derby County Football Club has completed the disciplinary hearing regarding Richard Keogh in respect of his involvement in the events of Tuesday, September 24th. "As a result of that process, Mr Keogh has had his contract terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct. He has the right of appeal within 14 days. "As we have said from the outset, the Club will not tolerate any of its players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings the club into disrepute. Bit of a contradiction bearing in mind Lawrence and Bennett... Even Huddlestone if he was posting stuff. Be interesting how different it would feel if Keogh as senior club captain had been uninjured and the one driving and an impressionable much younger player had been the injured passenger and they had felt pressured to get a lift. Sad for Keogh cos he gave his all....cant say I would do any different though, paying someone £1mill to sit on their backside would definitely stick in my throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagavulinram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I think we should sue the sun... Here is my logic. The sun provides sunlight for wheat to grow. The wheat produces alcohol. That alcohol forced its way into richard keoghs team mates. Am i clutching at straws? Keough vs the sun. A celestial body vs international footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, SaintRam said: Refusing to take a paycut smacks of not taking responsibility, to be honest. You cannot force anyone to take a pay cut unless for example their job was earmarked as being redundant and the only other roles available were of a lesser pay grade as redeployment and even that can be refused and still be eligible for redundancy money. That doesn't apply to Keogh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, John_The_Waff said: Because they can both still play, and are therefore assets. Mel isn't going to just throw £6m+ away. I fully expect both of them to be sold in January. When you make an ethical decision you shouldn't be bearing in mind the financial cost. It just looks like and is double standards for him to get the sack but for the other two not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, lagavulinram said: Am i clutching at straws? Only those in your cocktail, thats how we roll in Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, AdamRam said: Wonder if it’s the same legal team that advised him on the sacking of Sam Rush ? Mel can't wait to see him in court. Except he obviously could, seeing as it never went that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 “Well, like you say, listen m’lord”. I can see it now. It’s going to be messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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