Philmycock Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Someone has just made a good interesting point. What if this is Mel pulling off yet another blinder, he publicly offers Keogh a reduced wage or he is sacked, Keogh refuses, we sack him saving the club 25k a week in FFP terms, Mel then pays Keogh X amount out of his own pocket as a decent severance pay and everyone is happy. Shhhhhhh don't tell Gibson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: Do you think he signed an addendum to his contract once he became Captain? Is that a standard thing, even if you're wearing a piece of cloth temporarily? Employment contracts usually have a catch all phrase... Something like 'duties assigned from time to time' and HR have definitions for them. Depending on the culture of the company you may get asked to sign something to accept them. I certainly have at some employers when the scope of my responsibilities have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Tamworthram said: Still no statement on the website as far as I can see Give them a chance, the web team are on a team building night out at baby platinum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 It seems hypocritical for the club to say we need to support Bennett and Lawrence through the tough times they're having and then turn around and sack the one person who was physically injured in the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bristol City said: Ok is it’s easy for us all to be moral about this....but as several of you have said above, the other two were the ones that broke the law. In some respects you could argue the club should be supporting Keogh. Just imagine he was sober and it had happened. Derby not coming out of this situation very well at all. They’ve handled it very poorly imho. If he was sober and then still chose to get into a car with a drunk driver, and still chose not to wear his seatbelt - I would have even less sympathy than I have now. Fact is if Bennett or Lawrence had also refused the punishments laid out to them by the club, and/or had affected their own ability to do their job for Derby, they'd be sacked too. Unless all clubs are going to start sacking all players who drink drive (fair enough if they do, I'd prefer that - but I want consistency), I'm not on board with sacking the two drivers here. Keogh was entirely responsible for himself. That being said, I still want us to duck them off somewhere else in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Small point but it’s the responsibility of the driver to ensure everybody is wearing a seat belt ( if that rumour is correct) No its not only if the passenger is 13 years or under. Adult passengers are responsible for putting on their seatbelts not the driver. Check your Highway Code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Small point but it’s the responsibility of the driver to ensure everybody is wearing a seat belt ( if that rumour is correct) Not true. Once someone hits 14, they're responsible for themselves. Details are on .gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Bristol City said: Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut? Very inconsistent approach to this whole ordeal. Keogh, the scapegoat. Hope he challenges their decision. We've got enough legal experts on here, we don't need another from another fanbase thanks. Ps. Ive no idea either but suspect the club will know what they are on with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaintRam said: He'd probably have a good shot at that if he wore his seatbelt. Another potential side to this, is that its possible (perhaps likely) there's discord among the squad as a result of this, and Keogh has been acting out. Depends on how the night played out. What if Keogh was told by Lawrence that he was fine to drive. Or he was bundled into Lawrence's car because he was so drunk, hence no seatbelt. Can't really get into on this forum, but I think you're being unfair that he has refused the offer on the basis of stubbornness or refusing to accept responsibility. There might be something in your last point, though. Anyway, I enjoy your match day posts too much to disagree with you too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bristol City said: Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut? If there is one thing we can be confident about its that he was not sacked for refusing a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Got to feel sorry for Cocu, the atmosphere at the club must stink at the moment and none of it is his doing. Must wonder what he’s got himself into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, mwram1973 said: As i've just said, this comment, for me must mean that Keogh may have caused the accident. If he had it would have more than likely been brought up in mitigation for Lawrence in court which it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, LazloW said: Got to feel sorry for Cocu, the atmosphere at the club must stink at the moment and none of it is his doing. Must wonder what he’s got himself into. If Mel gets the investment away with all this going off he is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Small point but it’s the responsibility of the driver to ensure everybody is wearing a seat belt ( if that rumour is correct) That's actually not true, the responsibility to wear a seatbelt is solely upon the individual, unless the individual is under 14, in which case that is the driver's responsibilityhttps://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/wearing-seat-belt-and-exemptions For some reason it's quite a commonly held misconception, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Norman said: Depends on how the night played out. What if Keogh was told by Lawrence that he was fine to drive. Or he was bundled into Lawrence's car because he was so drunk, hence no seatbelt. Can't really get into on this forum, but I think you're being unfair that he has refused the offer on the basis of stubbornness or refusing to accept responsibility. There might be something in your last point, though. Anyway, I enjoy your match day posts too much to disagree with you too much. That's right; anyone disagrees with me too much I'll stop posting on match days. You hear that, forum?! Do not challenge my opinions! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaintRam said: If he was sober and then still chose to get into a car with a drunk driver, and still chose not to wear his seatbelt - I would have even less sympathy than I have now. Fact is if Bennett or Lawrence had also refused the punishments laid out to them by the club, and/or had affected their own ability to do their job for Derby, they'd be sacked too. Unless all clubs are going to start sacking all players who drink drive (fair enough if they do, I'd prefer that - but I want consistency), I'm not on board with sacking the two drivers here. Keogh was entirely responsible for himself. That being said, I still want us to duck them off somewhere else in January. You can't refuse a punishment if you disagree with the outcome after the disciplinary hearing has taken place you then have the right to appeal against that decision within so many days of a letter being received summarising the outcome. If after that appeal the outcome is not overturned then the original sanction will apply whether you accept that or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Gross misconduct. If that’s the reason then it’s a bit baffling. Hard to imagine what brings more disrepute to the club than being a convicted criminal. I’m sure potential resale value has little to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: If there is one thing we can be confident about its that he was not sacked for refusing a pay cut. Indirectly he was though. He would have been given Hobson's choice of either taking a pay cut or being dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, LazloW said: Got to feel sorry for Cocu, the atmosphere at the club must stink at the moment and none of it is his doing. Must wonder what he’s got himself into. This entirely. The last thing we need now as a club is to ditch the manager or get on his back. We have to support him, I believe this is absolutely critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeS Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 One thing for sure, I doubt that we are aware of all the facts in this business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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