G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: Anyway, back on the topic of the retained list. Considering we've released 4 defenders today with 2 of them being centre halves, this leaves us seriously short in that department. Is it too optimistic to hope we've lined Tomori up for a return? At the very least we must have something in the pipeline unless we're trying a new 2-4-4 formation. We've not released any that played a part last season. We've lost Tomori but have Curtis Davies coming back. We still have Wisdom and Forsyth who are capable of playing full back or centre half to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Not sure if aimed at me, but if so, being an accountant I'd say I'm as qualified as most to comment on financial issues. On the basis of you only wanting experts commenting in their chosen fields, I'm guessing you're a highly decorated football manager. Are you Sir Alex or Arsene? Sigh We've already had this discussion and the conclusion was you are not an expert on football finances, you even agreed you weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: We've not released any that played a part last season. We've lost Tomori but have Curtis Davies coming back. We still have Wisdom and Forsyth who are capable of playing full back or centre half to return. Fair points but we have released Ashley Cole who played a part for us. A fully fit Fozzy returning will be a bonus but I worry if he can come back again from another serious injury. Really hope he can because as you say he is also versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, KCG said: We've already had this discussion and the conclusion was you are not an expert on football finances, you even agreed you weren't. I can read a set of accounts. I cant really comment on FFP because there is not enough information in the accounts to calculate where we are in terms of FFP. You don't need to be an expert to realise that the need to sell your ground or give new contracts to players that are surplus to requirements, paints your finances in a bad light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: Fair points but we have released Ashley Cole who played a part for us. A fully fit Fozzy returning will be a bonus but I worry if he can come back again from another serious injury. Really hope he can because as you say he is also versatile. Olsson gone too. Guessing we are expecting Forsyth to recover fully and maybe MacDonald? Will be making the step up to the first team squad full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Olsson gone too. Guessing we are expecting Forsyth to recover fully and maybe MacDonald? Will be making the step up to the first team squad full time. Lowe ? Not advocating him .. just hoping tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, NottsRam77 said: Lowe ? Not advocating him .. just hoping tbh Lowe has looked very good for Aberdeen this season, by all accounts. Has always looked a talented player - maybe he just needed that season of football to get him going? Can remember Chris Powell talking him up when he was here with Pearson. Would love to see us start next season with two academy players at full-back! Proper Norwich vibes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: Lowe ? Not advocating him .. just hoping tbh Of course. Out of sight out of mind! Interesting to see if he is part of our plans. FL packed him off pretty quickly after his shocker against Leeds away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: It's a big bad world out there. Mel isn't Mother Theresa. I'd be more concerned if he was Mother Theresa. Mel seems to be many things but I'd hope he's not as cruel as her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Of course. Out of sight out of mind! Interesting to see if he is part of our plans. FL packed him off pretty quickly after his shocker against Leeds away! When he got sent back up to Scotland, Frank said that he's definitely in the long-term plans and is "very much our player", but that it was agreed that it would suit him better to get a full season of first team football at Aberdeen that season, before playing a bigger role at Derby next season. I think the plan was always to only bring him back in as a temporary fix until we could get Cole signed on, and if we didn't have the crisis at left-back he probably wouldn't have come back until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 54 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Olsson gone too. Guessing we are expecting Forsyth to recover fully and maybe MacDonald? Will be making the step up to the first team squad full time. 48 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Lowe has looked very good for Aberdeen this season, by all accounts. Has always looked a talented player - maybe he just needed that season of football to get him going? Can remember Chris Powell talking him up when he was here with Pearson. Would love to see us start next season with two academy players at full-back! Proper Norwich vibes! well i am sure we would all be pleased if Frank announced we had taken on loan a young english guy currently in Toulouse playing for the England under 20s.Silly me thats Max Lowe.Also there is Scott Malone so according to my reckoning that would give us 4 players to cover the left back slot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, TommyPowel said: well i am sure we would all be pleased if Frank announced we had taken on loan a young english guy currently in Toulouse playing for the England under 20s.Silly me thats Max Lowe.Also there is Scott Malone so according to my reckoning that would give us 4 players to cover the left back slot Who would you have as our starting left back? Out of all of them I still think Forsyth is the most rounded. Think both Malone and Lowe are very suspect defensively but both good going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 An I the only one genuinely excited about the prospect of Nick Blackman lining up for us again. This news alone takes away the Wembley blues for me... Doesn’t this just confirm what a sad and sorry financial state football has got itself into. I wish we could just go back to the days when the size of club dictated who you could afford to buy and the quality of the manager made the ultimate difference. Still, if it annoys the Boro chairman then we might get some value out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: When playing staff decisions are being made based on financial issues rather than footballing issues you really have to question how the club is being run. Obviously there will be some who think this is another MM masterstroke but in my eyes this is completely ridiculous. 2 hours ago, Mafiabob said: Exactly INT - DCFC BOARD ROOM OCTOBER 21st 2019 - DAY Frank Lampard & Mel Morris are having a meeting to discuss players for the following season. Frank - I’m serious Mel. Butterfield & Blackman are crap, I mean really crap. I’d rather play Shay outfield than either of them. Can’t we give em a pay off in January? Cus nobody will pay for them, fee or their wages. If not, there’s no way I’ll want em here next season. Mel - I know, I know. But the FFP implications are so, that we can’t just let them go, it will cost us a fortune. Frank - So there’s nothing we can do? Mel - Haha. I didn’t say that did I... If you think this has been done simply due to the financials, then wouldn’t we be releasing Keogh, Carson and other top earners??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: INT - DCFC BOARD ROOM OCTOBER 21st 2019 - DAY Frank Lampard & Mel Morris are having a meeting to discuss players for the following season. Frank - I’m serious Mel. Butterfield & Blackman are crap, I mean really crap. I’d rather play Shay outfield than either of them. Can’t we give em a pay off in January? Cus nobody will pay for them, fee or their wages. If not, there’s no way I’ll want em here next season. Mel - I know, I know. But the FFP implications are so, that we can’t just let them go, it will cost us a fortune. Frank - So there’s nothing we can do? Mel - Haha. I didn’t say that did I... If you think this has been done simply due to the financials, then wouldn’t we be releasing Keogh, Carson and other top earners??? Carson maybe but Keogh plays week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 @G STAR RAM Just to echo your point mate, check the date on this tweet and what Johnson has said. BBC Radio Derby or Telegraph that’s come from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: @G STAR RAM Just to echo your point mate, check the date on this tweet and what Johnson has said. BBC Radio Derby or Telegraph that’s come from Would be funny if Johnson genuinely did think he was out of contract and this extension is as much of a surprise to him as anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, JfR said: Would be funny if Johnson genuinely did think he was out of contract and this extension is as much of a surprise to him as anyone else He has left us and signed for Derby city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Pretty much as I expected (minus the timing of the extensions). I was expecting a couple more of the older U23s to be released. There’s a high number of them in that age group now, so we must see a lot of them out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I'm not arsed regarding the retained list - the extensions for Butterfield and Blackman haven't been done for footballing reasons. It just goes to show how ridiculous FFP is in the grand scheme of things and the hoops we need to jump through to make the most of our budget. I can't get my head round why Butterfield and Blackman have accepted contracts on significantly lower terms either, surely they're just prolonging the inevitable. Anyway.. I guess that's football in the Championship nowadays, especially without parachute payments. We have to do what we can to compete, the alternative could well be Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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