Tyler Durden Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, dcfcfan1 said: Everyone on here seems labour, twitter and fb seems labour- how do the tories keep winning? I voted tory, but Im confused and pleasantly surprised lol The Brexit Party vote has had a huge impact on the results tonight - normal Labour party voters opting for that party which then allowed the Conservatives to increase their share of the vote and make gains in constituencies that have been traditional Labour strong holds Labour has also got what they deserved with having JC in charge who was obviously deemed a liability in the voters eyes regards his credibility. Maybe at least now we can gain some closure regards Brexit as it should have been resolved years ago which has also been damaging the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Farage is a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Its officially all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Haha a absolute landslide, the country has spoken (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Well that’s that then. Best buy my lad a shed load of multivitamins to keep him healthy. Be cheaper than the health insurance we’d need for him. Time for Corbyn to fall on his sword, any reliable candidate, with a modicum of political nouse would’ve taken the fridge magnet to the cleaners. at least I can rely on my blessed Derby County to cheer to up in these dark ti... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Has the penny finally dropped on the left about Corbyn? How many warnings did they need? Fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 To sum up...everyones pensions are now safe from theft and the companies we work for won't have assets taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 A quarter of Labour's seats are in London. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: Fair play to anyone that wants to rub my nose in it, as the regular posters know I'm no fan of the Tories - but given what happened in the US with Trump and now here with Boris Johnson, is no one slightly concerned for the future of politics when lying and avoiding scrutiny seems to be a successful strategy? Even if you get the result you wanted tonight - this can't bode well Was this your first election? Lying and avoiding scrutiny have been major parts of politics since the very day the idea of democracy was even conceived for all parties. This election has been no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Highest ever national debt, economists saying Brexit will be terrible for the UK, spiralling crime rates, police numbers slashed, food bank usage up hundreds of %, a PM that lies constantly and hides in fridges etc etc. I really worry what I’m missing that makes people vote for them in such huge numbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: as the regular posters know I'm no fan of the Tories Seriously? I guess youd expect me to be one of the ones rubbing your nose in it but I'm really not like that. Everyone votes for what they think is best and will have their own reasons for doing so. I can honestly say this is the least comfortable I've ever felt voting Conservative but I dont think there was any viable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Norman said: They can have one. Polls are showing less and less support for an independent Scotland. Lowest they have been for a long time. We should have an English referendum to see if we want to ditch them .The result might surprise you having said that personally I would like to keep the union . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Just got in from a night out. Slightly intoxicated. Naturally, as someone who voted Labour, I’m very disappointed by the results that are coming in. I really do think that Boris Johnson is a bully, a racist and a homophobe. And I really do think that a government led by Jeremy Corbyn would be one that looked out for those who needed it most. Hey ho. No grudges held for those who voted Conservative. I believe that the vast majority voted for what they thought was best for the country, and not for their personal gain. Disappointed, but here’s hoping Labour get a more electable leader next time round. I have ambitions to be a millionaire, but I genuinely do not think that I’ll ever vote Conservative. Just my view. I hope any arguments in this thread resolve themselves tonight. At the end of the day, we all joined this great forum because we love Derby County. Politics should always be secondary to that. I love this club. I thought you was busy with university work??? Not too busy to come on and label Johnson a racist I see... Hope you applied the same sort of context to his comments that you did to Dianne Abbots when comments that you deemed not to be racist? Just to recap, she once said:- "White people love playing ‘divide & rule’. We should not play their game." I look forward to when you are not too busy, so you can explain how this is not racist yet things that Johnson says are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, admira said: Highest ever national debt, economists saying Brexit will be terrible for the UK, spiralling crime rates, police numbers slashed, food bank usage up hundreds of %, a PM that lies constantly and hides in fridges etc etc. I really worry what I’m missing that makes people vote for them in such huge numbers! Jeremy Corbyn and Jo Swinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, admira said: Highest ever national debt, economists saying Brexit will be terrible for the UK, spiralling crime rates, police numbers slashed, food bank usage up hundreds of %, a PM that lies constantly and hides in fridges etc etc. I really worry what I’m missing that makes people vote for them in such huge numbers! Well the first happened under Labour and the second ,well we are still in the EU .Does that help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Diane Abbott turning up to vote in two left shoes summed it all up for me. What hold does she have over Corbyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: I really hope that you lads on here who believe the NHS is safe under a Johnson government are right. I have personal reasons for needing a NHS, I have personal experience of the austerity cuts that have decimated parts of it. I lost my Dad 7 weeks ago after a long illness and the pain and misery him and mum went through because of the murderous cuts to social services under the Conservative government will live with me forever. During our many hours spent recently in Hospitals, Care homes, meetings with care professionals, it is evident that the system is broken because of the savage cuts from central government to local councils, all to accommodate tax cuts for high earners and Corporation Tax cuts for big business plus allowing huge multi-national corporations to evade tax by registering their companies in tax havens. This is real money, not a magic money tree, real money that is siphoned out of our country for the benefit of people who have no allegiance to my country. I hate seeing doped up teenagers walking round like zombies, I hate seeing beggars and homeless all over our cities, I hate seeing our public services sacrificed at the behest of corporate interests who have no loyalty to the UK. I will join the Labour Party tomorrow. I will become an "activist" as one poster calls the 13 million people who vote Labour. I will fight and campaign for a new leader of Labour who will back the socialist principles of public services ran for the people who need them, not the people who profit from them. Corbyn needs to step down, not because of his beliefs or principles, he is the most honest and decent Party leader in my lifetime, but he has no way of fighting back against the greatest character attack in our history. The full might of the big money, off shore financiers, media owners and foreign governments determined to keep corporate interests above our country's interest have been deployed against him. They will also be deployed against any future Labour leader who has the temerity to put people before profit. There is no perfect system of government, never has been, but there is a better system than the race to the bottom, there is no reason at all that we can't combine. We've done it before and you know what, it wasn't a bad place to grow up in. I loved the country I grew up in, my little town could afford a manned Police Station, a Railway station that had waiting rooms and toilets, with trains running to get people to work early and home late. We had full time firemen, we had Park rangers, we had an Ambulance station, we had a magistrates court, but 40 years later we can't afford any of them even though the country is the 5th richest in the world........pointless going on, the damage is done for now. I just hope enough people will have the courage and wisdom to fight for a better future for the generations to come like my mum and dad's generation did for us. I am very sorry to read of your Dad’s passing. We are of the same age, and I can relate in some ways to the emotions of the post. Wishing you, your Mum and family better times ahead. I am pleased you are going to join the Labour Party; it does need a great many people like you to get behind it, and shape it, because I don’t think the “Movement” at the core of the Party is anything like you think it is. So many traditional Labour people referring to it as toxic. I personally think you are totally wrong about Corbyn, McDonnell, and Momentum, and perhaps you being within the ranks will be revealing. There is something badly wrong when you have someone like Alan Johnson saying Corbyn is "incapable of leading" and "worse than useless at all the qualities you need to lead a political party." The reason Labour have fared so badly against a desperately inadequate Tory Party is Labour’s own recent direction of travel. I look forward to a time again when there might actually be a credible party I can vote for which has a socialist centre but embracing an entrepreneurial economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rambam said: Diane Abbott turning up to vote in two left shoes summed it all up for me. What hold does she have over Corbyn? No apparently she did that because its more comfortable and she suffers from diabetes...keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Well gents the peoples vote has given it's verdict , most of the high profile people that tried to thwart democracy have lost their seats .After the referendum I posted the Great British general public don't very often get it wrong [which did produce a fair amount of laughing emojis] well they didn't get it wrong twice . You have to respect democracy if you lose suck it up and make the best of it ,if you win suck it in and enjoy your time .Whatever your political persuasions stick to your principles what you believe in and cast your vote but when it's done and dusted respect the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: I really hope that you lads on here who believe the NHS is safe under a Johnson government are right. I have personal reasons for needing a NHS, I have personal experience of the austerity cuts that have decimated parts of it. I lost my Dad 7 weeks ago after a long illness and the pain and misery him and mum went through because of the murderous cuts to social services under the Conservative government will live with me forever. During our many hours spent recently in Hospitals, Care homes, meetings with care professionals, it is evident that the system is broken because of the savage cuts from central government to local councils, all to accommodate tax cuts for high earners and Corporation Tax cuts for big business plus allowing huge multi-national corporations to evade tax by registering their companies in tax havens. This is real money, not a magic money tree, real money that is siphoned out of our country for the benefit of people who have no allegiance to my country. I hate seeing doped up teenagers walking round like zombies, I hate seeing beggars and homeless all over our cities, I hate seeing our public services sacrificed at the behest of corporate interests who have no loyalty to the UK. I will join the Labour Party tomorrow. I will become an "activist" as one poster calls the 13 million people who vote Labour. I will fight and campaign for a new leader of Labour who will back the socialist principles of public services ran for the people who need them, not the people who profit from them. Corbyn needs to step down, not because of his beliefs or principles, he is the most honest and decent Party leader in my lifetime, but he has no way of fighting back against the greatest character attack in our history. The full might of the big money, off shore financiers, media owners and foreign governments determined to keep corporate interests above our country's interest have been deployed against him. They will also be deployed against any future Labour leader who has the temerity to put people before profit. There is no perfect system of government, never has been, but there is a better system than the race to the bottom, there is no reason at all that we can't combine a socialist centre with an entrepreneurial economy. We've done it before and you know what, it wasn't a bad place to grow up in. I loved the country I grew up in, my little town could afford a manned Police Station, a Railway station that had waiting rooms and toilets, with trains running to get people to work early and home late. We had full time firemen, we had Park rangers, we had an Ambulance station, we had a magistrates court, but 40 years later we can't afford any of them even though the country is the 5th richest in the world........pointless going on, the damage is done for now. I just hope enough people will have the courage and wisdom to fight for a better future for the generations to come like my mum and dad's generation did for us. firstly Want to send my sincere condolences re your dad, we lost our dad a year ago after a 3 and a half year battle against bowel cancer .... it still hurts like hell and he’ll be turning in his grave after last night he was staunch labour, but even he said Corbyn was never going to win an election Tony Blair said you will never win an election from the left ..... how right he was. corbyn is politically naive. what part of him or his advisers thought it was a good idea to sweep under the rug the biggest political issue since ww2 weve had years of messing around over brexit ... so his stance of being “ open minded” over it just translates as another 3-4 years of messing about people leave or remain are done with it and just want closure add to that his spend spend spend attitude which yes we all like the idea of but reality last time round then led us into 12 hard years of Tory austerity I’m a traditional labour voter but It’s not a labour I can vote for I don’t mind saying I was going to spoil my paper as I just couldn’t get behind Corbyn and his policies That said I did tick the labour box ... I wanted to give my dad one last vote daft I know but in my head it felt right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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