SaintRam Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I hope no-one tells all those kids who did videos about living on £5 a day or however much it was. Not sure they can take any more demoralisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I cant stand corbin one bit and he not trust worthy and I really dont want him in charge. None of them are mate Farage still got his nhs battle bus parked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 This is depressing I’m going to the match Saturday ... god life’s grim right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Exit poll also predicting pretty much a clean sweep for the SNP in Scotland. How can anyone deny the Scots a second referendum if that is the case? If Johnson's lot can deny a four year old a hospital bed, he can by heck deny Scotland of anything. We really need to keep Scotland as well, not sure how large the impact would be losing them, but I imagine it would be quite considerable. As for the result, I was never strong on either party. I voted lib dem. Labour would've seen a big drop in the pound IMO and that would've absolutely killed me at work. Conversative were the safe option, for me, but I just can't and don't trust them. The pound has increased once more, directly resulting more money in my pocket, but I understand the impact they could have on the most vulnerable in our society. I think the truth is that they just don't care about the social issues the poorest in our society face. Fundamentally, and I can't stress this enough, you DON'T join the conservative party IF your focus is on improving the life of the poorest people in this country. I'm not saying it's something they completely ignore, but it's definitely not a focus. It takes a completely different mindset and way of thinking. The tired old joke used in EVERY election is 'Labour will be winning in the votes until people finish work' tells me that people who vote conservative see Labour voters as poor, lazy, whatever. They see Labour voters as nothing more than people with their hands out. Ironically, a lot of the people in work/celebrities you see voting Labour aren't doing it for any other reason other than they want a better society for everyone - they actually lose out from a Labour government on a personal level. It, at least in my mind, highlights the disparity in mindset between the two parties at their core value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Pretty much all of the conservative MPs I know about are complete tools. However; this whole situation is suggesting that we're going to get a whole bunch of new ones. Some constituencies not represented by a CON in my lifetime, some not ever. My hope now lies in these (mostly northern) MPs being better than the usual Southern gits; and changing the shape of conservative government. I am, as many will know from my posting on the football sections, an optimist. A severely depressed optimist (so my optimism is usually frivolous and not grounded in reality) but an optimist all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 No amount of false paper waving or a staged hospital picture could ever swing it. Daft 1970s policies just do not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ambitious said: If Johnson's lot can deny a four year old a hospital bed, he can by heck deny Scotland of anything. We really need to keep Scotland as well, not sure how large the impact would be losing them, but I imagine it would be quite considerable. As for the result, I was never strong on either party. I voted lib dem. Labour would've seen a big drop in the pound IMO and that would've absolutely killed me at work. Conversative were the safe option, for me, but I just can't and don't trust them. The pound has increased once more, directly resulting more money in my pocket, but I understand the impact they could have on the most vulnerable in our society. I think the truth is that they just don't care about the social issues the poorest in our society face. Fundamentally, and I can't stress this enough, you DON'T join the conservative party IF your focus is on improving the life of the poorest people in this country. I'm not saying it's something they completely ignore, but it's definitely not a focus. It takes a completely different mindset and way of thinking. The tired old joke used in EVERY election is 'Labour will be winning in the votes until people finish work' tells me that people who vote conservative see Labour voters as poor, lazy, whatever. They see Labour voters as nothing more than people with their hands out. Ironically, a lot of the people in work/celebrities you see voting Labour aren't doing it for any other reason other than they want a better society for everyone - they actually lose out from a Labour government on a personal level. It, at least in my mind, highlights the disparity in mindset between the two parties at their core value. You dont want that women in charge eathier I trust borries johnson more than I do those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, TimRam said: No amount of false paper waving or a staged hospital picture could ever swing it. Daft 1970s policies just do not work. The false paper waving I'll leave alone cos you could be right. But the "staged hospital picture" was verified; by multiple sources including the staff of the hospital - and was only disputed by dozens of social media bots posting the same exact paragraph about knowing someone who saw it being staged - because in the modern area that type of misinformation works a treat, as we see. Just want to make sure you are aware of that. You can verify it yourself quite easily with some googling but heres one of the many articles on it: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/leeds-hospital-photo-boy-fake-17393879.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, TimRam said: No amount of false paper waving or a staged hospital picture could ever swing it. Daft 1970s policies just do not work. Staged? Are you accusing the parents of that child of putting their 4 year old child on the floor of a hospital when suffering from pneumonia for political gain for a party they might support. Just curious because the hospital has apologised for the treatment, or lack thereof, and the health secretary also apologised, although in all likelihood didn’t give a toss. So could you explain how it was staged please, many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Will be interesting to see how thick skinned some of the new tories that look like becoming MPs in a number of northern constituencies are. When confronted with the real problems faced by their constituents, will they blindly follow the party line or will they rebel and force the tories to do more for all the people struggling in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: Staged? Are you accusing the parents of that child of putting their 4 year old child on the floor of a hospital when suffering from pneumonia for political gain for a party they might support. Just curious because the hospital has apologised for the treatment, or lack thereof, and the health secretary also apologised, although in all likelihood didn’t give a toss. So could you explain how it was staged please, many thanks. Not only apologised but in the statement confirmed that they had indeed put him in a room without a bed; and therefore lay him on the floor. Explicitly. Misinformation is so rife nowadays it is really ducking depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I really hope that you lads on here who believe the NHS is safe under a Johnson government are right. I have personal reasons for needing a NHS, I have personal experience of the austerity cuts that have decimated parts of it. I lost my Dad 7 weeks ago after a long illness and the pain and misery him and mum went through because of the murderous cuts to social services under the Conservative government will live with me forever. During our many hours spent recently in Hospitals, Care homes, meetings with care professionals, it is evident that the system is broken because of the savage cuts from central government to local councils, all to accommodate tax cuts for high earners and Corporation Tax cuts for big business plus allowing huge multi-national corporations to evade tax by registering their companies in tax havens. This is real money, not a magic money tree, real money that is siphoned out of our country for the benefit of people who have no allegiance to my country. I hate seeing doped up teenagers walking round like zombies, I hate seeing beggars and homeless all over our cities, I hate seeing our public services sacrificed at the behest of corporate interests who have no loyalty to the UK. I will join the Labour Party tomorrow. I will become an "activist" as one poster calls the 13 million people who vote Labour. I will fight and campaign for a new leader of Labour who will back the socialist principles of public services ran for the people who need them, not the people who profit from them. Corbyn needs to step down, not because of his beliefs or principles, he is the most honest and decent Party leader in my lifetime, but he has no way of fighting back against the greatest character attack in our history. The full might of the big money, off shore financiers, media owners and foreign governments determined to keep corporate interests above our country's interest have been deployed against him. They will also be deployed against any future Labour leader who has the temerity to put people before profit. There is no perfect system of government, never has been, but there is a better system than the race to the bottom, there is no reason at all that we can't combine a socialist centre with an entrepreneurial economy. We've done it before and you know what, it wasn't a bad place to grow up in. I loved the country I grew up in, my little town could afford a manned Police Station, a Railway station that had waiting rooms and toilets, with trains running to get people to work early and home late. We had full time firemen, we had Park rangers, we had an Ambulance station, we had a magistrates court, but 40 years later we can't afford any of them even though the country is the 5th richest in the world........pointless going on, the damage is done for now. I just hope enough people will have the courage and wisdom to fight for a better future for the generations to come like my mum and dad's generation did for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: Staged? Are you accusing the parents of that child of putting their 4 year old child on the floor of a hospital when suffering from pneumonia for political gain for a party they might support. Just curious because the hospital has apologised for the treatment, or lack thereof, and the health secretary also apologised, although in all likelihood didn’t give a toss. So could you explain how it was staged please, many thanks. Might not have been staged but I would say there was a political agenda behind it. Last think I would be doing if my kids had pneumonia, and was on a hospital floor, would be taking photos of them to put on social media. Each to their own though I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Not only apologised but in the statement confirmed that they had indeed put him in a room without a bed; and therefore lay him on the floor. Explicitly. Misinformation is so rife nowadays it is really ducking depressing. Wasnt there a bed next to him in the picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuffLuff Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Not sure why I’ve come here but anyway... hate saying it but the biggest moment of the election was The Brexit Party move to contest only in Labour seats. Labour haven’t dealt with it because a lot of the remainers in the south don’t understand the ex mining towns in the north that voted to leave long term. These were Labour strongholds that are now going to be lost. It’s not policy and although the media are currently putting it on Corbyn I dont think it’s all on him. Its the left (and the centre left) not understanding itself and if they stopped giving anyone who doesn’t have their specific opinions a kicking they would get on a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, G STAR RAM said: Might not have been staged but I would say there was a political agenda behind it. Last think I would be doing if my kids had pneumonia, and was on a hospital floor, would be taking photos of them to put on social media. Each to their own though I guess. You wouldn’t think of taking a photo as evidence of the appalling standard of care in the hope that somehow it prevented someone else being let down the same way; to highlight what is actually going on, to demonstrate your anger? I think I would because I would be angry that this was happening in a rich country. Do you think if they happened to have taken their child to a BUPA hospital such as the Nuffield that they would have been left on a floor? Human decency and the highlighting of inequality in an attempt to stop it isn’t a bad thing in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/lgi-bosses-apologise-after-four-17385357 For what it's worth. The hospital have apologised and said that the hospital is overcrowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Wasnt there a bed next to him in the picture? No; there was a blue plastic chair on one side and a small cart/trolley/drip stand on the other. If there was a bed next to him the hospital wouldn't have apologised for putting him in a room without a bed due to overcrowding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Might not have been staged but I would say there was a political agenda behind it. Last think I would be doing if my kids had pneumonia, and was on a hospital floor, would be taking photos of them to put on social media. Each to their own though I guess. Argue the case for private healthcare if thats what you believe in. Lets have honest debate instead of silly political point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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