Stive Pesley Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 49 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: I notice you didn't comment on my point on Jezza …. You said he has no chance of getting elected - what can I say...we all moan about the current state of politics, yet people continue with the ad hominem attacks on Corbyn. The one politician who actually wants to change things. But I know I won't change the minds of those who have long since decided that they hate him. Luckily it's not actually about him. The Labour project is much bigger than one man and change is coming whether people like it or not. Consider your chain yanked. Laughing emojis GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 More Corbyn mickey mouse economics. Take Derby: Recompense the owner @10% of his investment (std nationalisation rates), buy back stadium at £8m. Players wages at £30 m per year . Lets say £80m. Derby have about 20000 economically active fans (before Labour get in), so an investment of £4000 per fan is needed to start with. Isn't going to happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: You said he has no chance of getting elected - what can I say...we all moan about the current state of politics, yet people continue with the ad hominem attacks on Corbyn. The one politician who actually wants to change things. But I know I won't change the minds of those who have long since decided that they hate him. Luckily it's not actually about him. The Labour project is much bigger than one man and change is coming whether people like it or not. Consider your chain yanked. Laughing emojis GO In order for Tory voters to stop hating Corbyn, they would have to be told by the Sun, Mail and Express to stop doing so. That's where we are now as a country - in the pockets and responding to the desires of non-domiciled oligarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Montgolfier said: In order for Tory voters to stop hating Corbyn, they would have to be told by the Sun, Mail and Express to stop doing so. That's where we are now as a country - in the pockets and responding to the desires of non-domiciled oligarchs. Oh dear, oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: Labour project is much bigger than one man and change is coming whether people like it or not. Yeah, he is backed and controlled by the unions who no longer represent or hold the views of many of the working class of this country. And Momentum. What a combination. Labour will not get in any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Montgolfier said: In order for Tory voters to stop hating Corbyn, they would have to be told by the Sun, Mail and Express to stop doing so. That's where we are now as a country - in the pockets and responding to the desires of non-domiciled oligarchs. Even for a Montgolfier you do generate an awful lot of hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Norman said: Yeah, he is backed and controlled by the unions who no longer represent or hold the views of many of the working class of this country. And Momentum. What a combination. Labour will not get in any time soon. Wow. Despite the worst conditions for working people in my lifetime, despite the fact that workers have to accept zero hours contracts, that workers in places like sports direct aren't allowed toilet breaks - we're still parroting the fear of the unions? I hope you don't forget to doff your cap to the boss in the morning. You know, show you know your place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Wow. Despite the worst conditions for working people in my lifetime, despite the fact that workers have to accept zero hours contracts, that workers in places like sports direct aren't allowed toilet breaks - we're still parroting the fear of the unions? I hope you don't forget to doff your cap to the boss in the morning. You know, show you know your place. But he’s almost certainly right isn’t he? Despite all those conditions you refer to, and despite the Tory Party being absolutely useless, Labour and Corbyn in particular aren’t resonating with potential voters. Whose fault is that? (other than the media of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Wow. Despite the worst conditions for working people in my lifetime, despite the fact that workers have to accept zero hours contracts, that workers in places like sports direct aren't allowed toilet breaks - we're still parroting the fear of the unions? I hope you don't forget to doff your cap to the boss in the morning. You know, show you know your place. So where I am wrong then? It isn't just the Daily Mail controlling old Labour voters minds, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 hours ago, bcnram said: I think we would all like a more cohesive plan for improving coaching and facilities for grassroots football. I don’t think that politics should come into it though. I agree it shouldn’t have to. The proposals seem to be 1. Supporters trusts to have the right to apppint 2 directors to the board. 2. Supporters groups have the right to buy shares when the club changes hands. 3. Premier League to invest 5% of its income from TV rights into the grassroots game. 4. Stop ticket tout websites from selling tickets at inflated prices. 3 and 4 seem sensible and workable policies to me that would hugely benefit football in general in this country. Not convinced 1 and 2 are easily doable in practice. Interesting concept though that does work in some countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, i-Ram said: Even for a Montgolfier you do generate an awful lot of hot air. I'm being paid by David to get the clicks up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, bcnram said: Oh dear, oh dear. They say 'Jump', you say 'How high?'. You are primed to agree with them, just as you are primed to disagree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just now, Montgolfier said: They say 'Jump', you say 'How high?'. You are primed to agree with them, just as you are primed to disagree with me. And the opposite is true for any Guardian reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, maxjam said: And the opposite is true for any Guardian reader. Indeed - but it's not true that I'm a Guardian reader. The last time I bought that was when John Galbraith Graham (Araucaria) was still compiling crosswords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Montgolfier said: Indeed - but it's not true that I'm a Guardian reader. The last time I bought that was when John Galbraith Graham (Araucaria) was still compiling crosswords. Never said you were - although there are some regular Guardian linkers on this forum ? Its just a lazy argument/blatant troll to insinuate that people can't think for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, maxjam said: Never said you were - although there are some regular Guardian linkers on this forum ? Its just a lazy argument/blatant troll to insinuate that people can't think for themselves. I'm yet to see sufficient evidence to the contrary, unfortunately, with respect to the attitude of somebody very close to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, GboroRam said: Wow. Despite the worst conditions for working people in my lifetime, despite the fact that workers have to accept zero hours contracts, that workers in places like sports direct aren't allowed toilet breaks - we're still parroting the fear of the unions? I hope you don't forget to doff your cap to the boss in the morning. You know, show you know your place. What are these worst conditions for working people out of interest? No worker has to accept zero hour contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What are these worst conditions for working people out of interest? No worker has to accept zero hour contracts. My wife works for asda. In order to force the workforce to take new contracts, they've all been told they will be sacked if they don't accept. The union is powerless to step in.. New contracts mean they have to work in any department and any store that management ask. 4 refusals will result in dismissal. So you might tell them that you can't work nights because you have family commitments. But if they want you out, you'll get rostered on to nights. Or in a store 50 miles away. Of course to sell the new contract they've increased the hourly rate. But as they've stopped paying for breaks, everyone will be worse off anyway. Since the miners tried to fight simply for the right to work, and lost, workers rights have been stripped away. And of course nobody has to take zero hours, but if more and more of the positions available are zero hours what choices do people have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, GboroRam said: My wife works for asda. In order to force the workforce to take new contracts, they've all been told they will be sacked if they don't accept. The union is powerless to step in.. New contracts mean they have to work in any department and any store that management ask. 4 refusals will result in dismissal. So you might tell them that you can't work nights because you have family commitments. But if they want you out, you'll get rostered on to nights. Or in a store 50 miles away. Of course to sell the new contract they've increased the hourly rate. But as they've stopped paying for breaks, everyone will be worse off anyway. Since the miners tried to fight simply for the right to work, and lost, workers rights have been stripped away. And of course nobody has to take zero hours, but if more and more of the positions available are zero hours what choices do people have? My Mrs works in Asda. Strong ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, GboroRam said: My wife works for asda. In order to force the workforce to take new contracts, they've all been told they will be sacked if they don't accept. The union is powerless to step in.. I'm a Union member, but it's next to pointless these days. I've watched my entire team of 50 people whittled down to 5 of us, and all the rest of the work has been offshored to low quality, low paid workers in India and the Phillipines. The unions couldn't do a damn thing about it because of years of legislation weakening their ability to fight for our rights. It would be nice if my fellow Derby fans actually saw decent Derby people thrown on the scrap heap (a lot of people were in their 50s and now probably work in places like Asda) as a bad thing. And the fact that the unions couldn't help them also as a bad thing. Meanwhile in a feel good story, I see the Socialist Party have just been re-elected in Portugal after 5 years of getting in on a similar ticket to the type of anti-austerity change agenda that the Labour Party are looking at here. 5 years later, they have a larger share of the vote and the countries economy continues to grow above the EU average. Don't be a mug all your life https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49955686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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