Gritty Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, cannable said: I meant more in the sense that he has proven over his Derby career that he isn’t quick or physically fit enough to play energetically. Whereas Bryson is naturally extremely fit and energetic. As was Sammon. So you aren't a fan of Huddlestone then I assume? Not every position requires a player to be a Duracell bunny. He seemed no more or less energetic than most midfielders to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Not read through the thread as Butterfield's supposed shortcomings are well documented. I'm not one for bashing Derby players but even I have had a couple of digs at the lad for rumour mill stuff that turned out to be grossly exaggerated. My considered view would be that he's a technically gifted player who like a few others, has not prospered under managers seeking to play defensive and counter-attacking football. Perhaps his demeanour does him no favours but trying to be fair to the lad, perhaps I'd look like a mardy **** too if I was never getting a game. I'm not sure whether he things will pan out for him with Frank at the helm and maybe he will need to show a more willing attitude as much as he'll need to show he has the skill sets required for things to change, but under the new regime isn't everyone entitled to a clean slate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 52 minutes ago, Gritty said: So you aren't a fan of Huddlestone then I assume? Not every position requires a player to be a Duracell bunny. He seemed no more or less energetic than most midfielders to me. I’m arguing that it’s unfair to criticise him for not putting in effort because he’s not naturally energetic, not that you need to be sprinting marathons to be a good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 02/09/2018 at 08:29, Alpha said: His worst crime is playing it safe when he should look to take risks. That's his worst crime. Wasn't it more to do with the perception that he slagged the club when he went to Wednesday? Don't know if he really did or not, but I dislike him on the off chance that it might be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Just now, Lambchop said: Wasn't it more to do with the perception that he slagged the club when he went to Wednesday? Don't know if he really did or not, but I dislike him on the off chance that it might be true. I think so. That said, he wasn't especially liked before that, probably just the icing and the cherry on the cake. It was aimed more at Rowett than DCFC, and he was proven right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said: It was aimed more at Rowett than DCFC, and he was proven right! In that case, I like him again now. Sign him up! Oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Wasn't it more to do with the perception that he slagged the club when he went to Wednesday? Don't know if he really did or not, but I dislike him on the off chance that it might be true. All he said was something about not fitting the style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Alpha said: All he said was something about not fitting the style Fair enough. I thought there were comments about preferring Wednesday and not wanting to come back, but I'm only basing that on what I remember of people's reactions at the time. Got the impression he'd burnt his bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Fair enough. I thought there were comments about preferring Wednesday and not wanting to come back, but I'm only basing that on what I remember of people's reactions at the time. Got the impression he'd burnt his bridges. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-countys-style-play-not-450632.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, cannable said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-countys-style-play-not-450632.amp Always thought tthere was a bit of an overreaction tto his comments myself. And with hindsight, who is still up for rowettball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 As Cannable has reminded us (again) Butterfield didn’t say anything derogatory about the club, and more simply that Rowett’s style of play wasn’t how he liked to play football. Before that Clement’s negative approach also, in my opinion, affected how he played. I am not here to argue that he has been a good signing, nor that he might do a job for us in the future. However, l do think he is a good footballer, and l think he deserves far better support than the majority are prepared to give on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, i-Ram said: As Cannable has reminded us (again) Butterfield didn’t say anything derogatory about the club, and more simply that Rowett’s style of play wasn’t how he liked to play football. Before that Clement’s negative approach also, in my opinion, affected how he played. I am not here to argue that he has been a good signing, nor that he might do a job for us in the future. However, l do think he is a good footballer, and l think he deserves far better support than the majority are prepared to give on here. Spot on,some fans will watch certain players have game after game playing poorly or bang average at best and if someone like Butters makes a mistake or a poor pass they can’t wait to jump on him I don’t get it and I still feel he is a better fit than Bryson in this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, i-Ram said: As Cannable has reminded us (again) Butterfield didn’t say anything derogatory about the club, and more simply that Rowett’s style of play wasn’t how he liked to play football. Before that Clement’s negative approach also, in my opinion, affected how he played. I am not here to argue that he has been a good signing, nor that he might do a job for us in the future. However, l do think he is a good footballer, and l think he deserves far better support than the majority are prepared to give on here. He should have used interest from another club to engineer a new contract like a current first teamer. Then people would continue to fall over themselves to say how much they love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 16 hours ago, cannable said: I don’t understand your argument, we aren’t comparing how effective or productive either has been for Derby County, my point was that both are slow and aren’t energetic. Yet one is successful and Butterfield isn’t - get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I am not here to argue that he has been a good signing, nor that he might do a job for us in the future. However, l do think he is a good footballer, and l think he deserves far better support than the majority are prepared to give on here. Perhaps if he tried to earn the fans support? When you see the flack that Martin takes, with his past record for the club is it any wonder Butterfield gets flack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Perhaps if he tried to earn the fans support? When you see the flack that Martin takes, with his past record for the club is it any wonder Butterfield gets flack? I don’t get why anyone would give our own players flack? How does it help anyone perform better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Just now, derbydaz22 said: I don’t get why anyone would give our own players flack? How does it help anyone perform better? Is he reading this thread then? Hi Butters! Pull ya finge r out mate, see if you can play 90 minutes for the U23s tonight, instead of being subbed off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 He signed a contract yes and doesn't have to budge I get that, we offered him the contract in the first place. The only issue I have now is that IF he is not trying to get into our first team squad then that is bound to make some fans feel a bit aggravated as I'm sure we didn't sign him to give up trying if he was down the pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Always thought tthere was a bit of an overreaction tto his comments myself. And with hindsight, who is still up for rowettball? Curtains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 minute ago, eddie said: Curtains? I think Curtains is still believing iin the Nigel Pearson turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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