Steve How Hard? Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, ramma said: Managers don't get the sort of time they used to with the amount of money clubs are prepared to gamble on getting into division one. Mel's no different. Don't think we'll have any trouble getting into division one if yesterday's performance is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, King Kevin said: I guess another pressure point is the gates are on their way down . You beat me to it. A major factor in Nigel Clough getting sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Harrowram said: Is Harry the answer? Not a chance, ruined too many clubs and was on his way to breaking Birmingham. Past it now and will retire almost certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepshedram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, TroyDyer said: We have needed a mobile defensive midfielder to sit in front of the back four since Thorne got injured against the Russians. No manager has filled that void, and given the money we have spent in different, less crucial areas, that's unforgivable imo. GR must take some blame for not doing that this year. Either build a defence that doesn't need protecting, or sign protection. They don't even need to be that mobile. Eustace was hardly in the first flush of youth but had enough nous to play the role effectively, admittedly without Thorne's long range passing and goals. It helped having the legs of Bryson in the three, but Weimann, Russell, Anya and Vydra have all got the ability to run around...unfortunately too often in pointless directions. I think all defences need some protection. The way Bristol City cut through the midfield and exposed the back four in the last hour would have put more impressive defenders than Keogh and Davies under pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Harrowram said: Is Harry the answer? If Harry's the answer, what is the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssendonRam Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 14 hours ago, Adslegend said: I'm not sure. Obviously I hope that he is and hope that he gets it right. He will need to be given time as would anyone else who took over. From what we've seen since he took charge we've lacked the consistency required to challenge for promotion. I'd have rather the time have been given to McClaren to be completely honest. I think he'd be able to get something extra out of the current squad and also may have been able to keep hold of one of Hughes or Ince. Of course that's all hypothetical and we have to make do with what we have right now. I would've preferred McClaren to be given the time too for several reasons, none of which are a slight on Rowett. Funnily enough, I agree with the two reasons you mention but only as a matter of degree. Mac did announce that this squad needed to be deconstructed and I don't believe it was just a line to save his job (in before the Mac haters). I think he genuinely acknowledged the squad was 'damaged goods' and needed an overhaul; to me, he sounded like a man who knew he was never going to get the chance but wanted it on the record. The last part is why I suspect he could have handled the overhaul in a less adversarial manner with the players. His preference was to hold those discussions privately, not play to the fans. That he was being wrongly depicted as taking a "do nothing" approach to justify his replacement with Rowett demanded a public response. Rowett, on the other hand, appeared to have a remit from the chairman to put the players on notice; ironically the Pearsonesque approach which always bore the same risk as consumed Pearson if the players could not be moved on over summer. Plus, of course, McClaren had a relationship with the players that Rowett didn't. Whether that relationship would've kept either Hughes or Ince at Derby once EPL clubs came knocking, I doubt it. But it could not have hurt, particularly if it was symptomatic of a period of stability under Mac. Let's face it: if you were Hughes or Ince, regardless of how impressive you found Rowett, you would have to have asked yourself, "what will happen when the inevitable run of bad results happen?" Hughes, in particular, sacrificed a fair bit in buying into the vision of the Derby Way. More the point for me is our record of making panicked decisions and pre-emptively removing managers before they have had sufficient time to have any real impact. I also admit that I suspected Mel always preferred Rowett and McClaren's second stint was always merely a stop gap. If Mel's record of treating managers disrespectfully was not to end with McClaren, it simply has to end with Rowett. We cannot keep changing direction every half season or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, EssendonRam said: If Mel's record of treating managers disrespectfully was not to end with McClaren, it simply has to end with Rowett. We cannot keep changing direction every half season or so. Why not, Watford have had about 7 managers in the past 3 years they seem to be doing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: If Harry's the answer, what is the question? Do we need someone to help the floundering Wassall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: If Harry's the answer, what is the question? Who can we find to financially destroy the club,? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 we as fans need to support Gary , not question his ability every time we lose , he is capable of sorting this out but he needs time , us fans need to realise this season is going to be a rollercoaster ride with highs and lows , stick with Gary and lets try and move forward together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, Premier ram said: we as fans need to support Gary , not question his ability every time we lose , he is capable of sorting this out but he needs time , us fans need to realise this season is going to be a rollercoaster ride with highs and lows , stick with Gary and lets try and move forward together Good point we do need a bit of unity as a club moving forward. However GR has mentioned his exasperation, a couple of times recently in his post match interviews, at how we pass it about too much. Yes in the past we have been guilty of overplaying it and trying to walk it into the net but on the flip side you can't always lump it forward at every opportunity. Sometimes when teams sit deep you have to try and draw them out and wait for the right moment to play that killer pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Even if we were to win the league we'd still lose games along the way & Although we'd like to, we unfortunately cant win them all. The year Hull went up via the playoffs we smashed them in the league. Every team that goes up faces defeat amd newcastle struggled in spells last year. Bristol wasnt an ideal result but as usual there has been a complete over reaction. I still think we'll win more than we'll lose and we'll be sniffing around the playoffs by the time we face forest at home which if we are honest is probably our level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The fact so many of us are giving there own solutions to our problems tells its own story...all is definitely not as we'd currently like it to be....I remember the feel good factor of when Mac got us really going with Cloughs players and a few loans that made us a team to reckon with...at that time not many questioned much because it was good and there was a real buzz and i was confident going to a lot of games that if we played as we could we'd be too good for the opposition...Brighton away and home in play off semi final really showed what we were all about although we just didn't make it at wembley we were a good side, no doubt. Now it seems a bit of a mess and although not all GR's fault he is now at the helm so must sort it whether by organising us better or having a game plan especially away from home. I've said this before but what i don't wear is that he needs loads of time to sort it out...time yes...loads of time no! Ive used Wagner as an example before but he came to Huddersfield and turned them from relegation candidates to being promoted using good loans like Mooy and relatively cheap players who are hungry and determined...i can't remember them conceding 3s and 4s away from home like we are at the moment because they were organised and also played pretty decent football. I too want Rowett to succeed who doesnt on here, but i really wanted to see him hit the ground running and that definitely has not happened but we live in hope he can succeed. Regarding yesterday a lot of fans could see our midfield was a problem yesterday and yet was not changed at HT and that is dissapointing because it was only a matter of time until they scored.( did anyone else think change something ? ) The Jury is out but GR seems a very decent bloke who speaks well and being an ex player he fits the bill in many ways....whether or not he is what we need to get where we want to go though is debatable hence the posts on here. I really hope he is learning from his mistakes as he could still come good for us but for me needs to be more ruthless and go with younger players with hunger and energy and be hard to beat and score against especially away from home. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Is Rowett up to the job? Think so. Are some of our players? Not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Inglorius said: Why not, Watford have had about 7 managers in the past 3 years they seem to be doing pretty well. But Watford don't keep changing style when they change manager. They have an overall philosophy at the club, and appoint managers that will follow that. Our last 5 manager have all been radically different in style to the previous one, which is why we've got such a mess of a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, Saity said: Ive used Wagner as an example before but he came to Huddersfield and turned them from relegation candidates to being promoted using good loans like Mooy and relatively cheap players who are hungry and determined...i can't remember them conceding 3s and 4s away from home like we are at the moment because they were organised and also played pretty decent football. Worth noting that Wagner didn't have to clear out the squad. He sold their stars and built a new team with the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, cannable said: Worth noting that Wagner didn't have to clear out the squad. He sold their stars and built a new team with the money. Rowett has (and will) sold our stars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Is Rowett up to the job - i don't know. he has made a conscious decision to play a certain way and has bent the squad into a certain shape to suit the last day of the transfer window was pure tommy doc And has he said why the players were sent back out early v bristol? Smacks a bit of phil brown and thats also a worry. fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, cannable said: Worth noting that Wagner didn't have to clear out the squad. He sold their stars and built a new team with the money. Wagna wasnt hamstrung by what appears to be a dehabilitating wage bill on players that nobody wants. the two scenarios are not comparable we sold our stars and still needed to ship out before we could bring in. but thats what happens when u keep sacking managers and backing the next, a stockpile of overpriced and over paid players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, RamNut said: And has he said why the players were sent back out early v bristol? Smacks a bit of phil brown and thats also a worry. fingers crossed. That is worrying if true. No wonder we was ill prepared for the second half. The defeat lies squarely at GRs door if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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