toddy Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, rynny said: So what you are saying is that you didn't say that Martin had already agreed the contract with Fulham? So what deal has he already agreed to? So that contract you are sure was part of the loan deal that had been agreed, wasn't Martin's contract to sign for Fulham permanently? It is ok to admit that you got it wrong, but why make things up, did you not expect anyone to find the posts or did you forget? They are not based on people saying he would return in January, a few posters said he could return, myself included, but I was only 50-50 on whether he would or not, and that was down to whether or not Fulham would allow it and only after Mac had returned. Did not make nothing up, as Martin is on a season long loan and part of that loan deal is a clause which Fulham can activate and that is to buy Martin at an agreed price - I would have thought legally that both clubs would have had to ask Martin to be part of that contract to move in June subject to monies - afterall they could not force Martin to join [if Fulham took up their option to buy] It would all be contractual otherwise Martin would have returned in January and this is maybe what Khan was talking about regarding the legal talk against Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, rynny said: I would trust Rowett over Ramage. Rowett hasn't seen Martin as much as ramage so I think rowett was suggesting he would like to try it rather then it would work. obviously rowett knows his stuff more then ramage but on this occasion ramage is right imo. its like you would know martins strengths more then mourinho. You are just a bloke from derby and mourinho is a world class manager. Purely because you have seen plenty of Martin whereas Jose hasn't. do you think Martin could play well as a no. 10? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 11 hours ago, toddy said: Nothing bad, just that I made a statement regarding the Martin/ Fulham saga and because I failled to give my source it must not be true . But hey, if I had said my source was a friend at the Mirror, SSN desk or indeed Mel's cousin I would still have been shot down, because it's not what was written but because some that don't wish it to be correct, so it has to be made up. I have already stated alot of the sports journos are aware of the Martin/Fulham saga as it is months old news and one or two are aware of Lambert's intended offer on Martin, but again those on here don't want it to be true, will try to disregard it. Blimey, can I put the violin down yet? You don't half indulge in self pity. Unfortunately you get the reaction you do because you regurgitate journalistic rumours as ITK facts. The sad thing is that you make very valid points in other threads but where CM is concerned, you are so blinkered that you may as well be running in the 3:30pm at Aintree. Come on admit it, you love him really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Simsy said: Rowett hasn't seen Martin as much as ramage so I think rowett was suggesting he would like to try it rather then it would work. obviously rowett knows his stuff more then ramage but on this occasion ramage is right imo. its like you would know martins strengths more then mourinho. You are just a bloke from derby and mourinho is a world class manager. Purely because you have seen plenty of Martin whereas Jose hasn't. do you think Martin could play well as a no. 10? Really? The few times I have seen play him play as a number 10 has made me think that he can play there, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Simsy said: No. Rammage told rowett straight too. He's a 9 and that's it. He don't have the legs. Ramage talks *****. Get Ramsplayer. Watch the full 90 with any game he's commentating on. Tell me if what you're hearing is any reflection of what's happening. Where do you think Martin played for Norwich and palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Simsy said: Rowett hasn't seen Martin as much as ramage so I think rowett was suggesting he would like to try it rather then it would work. obviously rowett knows his stuff more then ramage but on this occasion ramage is right imo. its like you would know martins strengths more then mourinho. You are just a bloke from derby and mourinho is a world class manager. Purely because you have seen plenty of Martin whereas Jose hasn't. do you think Martin could play well as a no. 10? Really? 1 hour ago, rynny said: The few times I have seen play him play as a number 10 has made me think that he can play there, yes. He's done it ffs!!! For 2 clubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'll just leave this here. And before toddy points it out, he did miss a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Of course Martin can play the number 10, what is it that he lacks that would make him unsuitable? I also think he will hugely benefit from getting the ball early, which as Rowett wants us getting the ball forward quicker, I would expect to happen more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 There you go @richinspain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 On 29/04/2017 at 09:51, Simsy said: No. Rammage told rowett straight too. He's a 9 and that's it. He don't have the legs. Ramage also stated that Ince and Russell were like for like as are Butters and Bryson. He also failed to mention that Martin's achieved successive promotions as a #10. Ozil's hardly a workhorse is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 hours ago, cannable said: Ramage also stated that Ince and Russell were like for like as are Butters and Bryson. He also failed to mention that Martin's achieved successive promotions as a #10. Ozil's hardly a workhorse is he? What's often missed in this conversation (and what Ramage in his infinite wisdom obviously missed) is it's about pairing the right player at #10 with the right player up front. Put Martin at #10 with a hard work energetic striker in front and watch as he picks the player out with a pass time and time again, and both players thrive. Similarly if you have Martin up front, you want a #10/ attacking midfielder who is going to burst beyond him. It's why Martin thrived playing as a #10 at Norwich with Holt up front and it's why he did so well played up front at Derby because he was effectivley paired with Bryson or Hendrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Available for the playoffs for Fulham. Come on Chrissy f*ck their hopes for us please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 This is a clip from the awards evening tonight, with Tom Ince being interviewed for his top goal scorer award. Keep an ear out at around the 40 second mark. Love that from Ince, he's probably my favourite player and it suggests that the talk of him and CM disliking each other is utter tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 18 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Available for the playoffs for Fulham. Come on Chrissy f*ck their hopes for us please. Not even sure he will get onto their side now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 so the loan agreement allowed him to play post season? Who negotiated that contract? Unless we get paid more money of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Spanish said: so the loan agreement allowed him to play post season? Who negotiated that contract? Unless we get paid more money of course It's the FA's and FIFA's rules, the playoffs are part ofbthe season, there isn't much we could have done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 19 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Available for the playoffs for Fulham. Come on Chrissy f*ck their hopes for us please. Why the Fulham hate DEL? It seems to me they have acted professionally throughout the loan period which was properly agreed with us. Even though Fulham have played well since his sending off l think he will be picked again over the coming weeks, with Ayite and Aluko playing off him. He does suit their present set-up/style of play very well. I hope they/he does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, rynny said: It's the FA's and FIFA's rules, the playoffs are part ofbthe season, there isn't much we could have done about it. thanks didn't realise that, probably getting mixed up with a returning player cannot play (QPR guys were excluded I recall) unless I got that wrong also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Spanish said: thanks didn't realise that, probably getting mixed up with a returning player cannot play (QPR guys were excluded I recall) unless I got that wrong also He would not have been able to play for us if we had made the playoffs and Fulham didn't. Season long loans last until both teams have played all their fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Whoever negotiated this loan should be sacked!!!! Oh, wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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