vonwright

Anyway I'm just pleased Dobbin logged on to dcfcfans.uk at half time, read all the sage advice saying he couldn't shoot, and came out a different player. 

Shows professionalism. 

Jesus. Imagine what he could do if he was a natural finisher. 

Also why is it whenever the cameras cut to David Clowes he looks like he really, really needs to go to the toilet but doesn't want to miss a goal 

The replacement linesman looks like a young actor who has landed the role of replacement linesman in a small provincial production and is finding it all a bit overwhelming 

Just now, vonwright said:

Yep get Bird and McGoldrick off.

I meant Bird, McGoldrick and the linesman

4 minutes ago, David said:

No changes at half time, 3 up with a game on Friday is a little daft. I'm not a football manager though.

Yep get Bird and McGoldrick off.

Think I must be watching a different Dobbin to most people. End product hasn't been there but other than that looks a very good player to me. 

Can't remember the last time I've said this with any conviction during the first half but...

I think we might win this one. 

3 hours ago, richinspain said:

To be fair to Connor, he is suffering because of his reputation. I see him a bit like Wayne Rooney the Derby player. He's having about as much effect on the pitch as Rooney did, but to his credit at a very small percentage of cost and because he wants to play for our club.

Reputation and expectation. Think a few of us expected a bit more of him than was fair. He's generally been a good player in good teams, not someone who dictates games on his own. 

Overall pretty happy. Held them to a draw at Anfield, showed character.

Don't think we need the distraction of cups with a relatively small squad, quite a lot of older players, and a lot of tough league games.

Our penalties weren't great but their keeper did well and there's always an element of luck. A "bad" penalty looks a lot less bad if the keeper goes the wrong way, and quite often that's a matter of guesswork. 

Nunez is lucky Wildsmith is 6ft 0 and not 6ft 1. Those are the margins, really.

- 27 shots

- Two missed penalties

- One (deflected) goal

Can't blame the tactics for that. 

1 minute ago, Shake n Bake said:

McGoldrick hasn't offered much today. He's really struggled to get in the game.

To be fair he's 34 and in an ideal world not playing every game 

1 minute ago, i-Ram said:

All seems too frantic for my liking. Not that I am watching. Warne out!

Summary: Warne read the forum, realised that he needed to change formation, and we are winning. Well done, forum!

26 minutes ago, brady1993 said:

Not going to lie struggling to see how to fit those 11 players into something cohesive.

Best I think I can manage is

Smith Cashin Forsyth Roberts

           Bird Hourihane
NML       McGoldrick   Dobbin 
               Collins

 

Maybe Roberts and Forsyth the other way round.
Weirdly on paper this gets back close to what Rosenior's preferred line up was (outside of injuries at centre back). 
Doesn't send a great message to Stearman though if we are playing a back 4, he's not my favourite player but I'd thought he'd play if we play a back 4.

Fairly happy if that's the line up other than the Bird/Hourihane issue... but if he isn't going to play Oduroh at RB then no many options

8 minutes ago, David said:

Agree, may have been a clumsy choice of topic to air my thoughts.

With this topic, plus….

Radio Derby all in for Warne tonight

Was 4 year contract too long for Paul Warne

Warne’s managerial start at Rotherham

Is Paul Warne the next Nigel Pearson

Warne is not the messiah

And the appointment thread which is continuing, where it’s all pretty much the same discussion going on, chose this one to empty my head as oppose to getting involved in every one.  

 

Fair enough!

3 minutes ago, David said:

Those are valid questions, however I have seen talk of wanting rid already, also on Twitter the #WarneOut has started and I find it pretty all ridiculous. 

I agree that's ridiculous. But to be fair to Curtains his poll wasn't 'Warne out yes or no?'

20 minutes ago, David said:

Really wasn’t any need for this, especially defending your loyalty.

You’ve taken it personally when I wasn’t singling you out for starting the poll, I was talking about the general chatter across the online fanbase (here, Facebook, Twitter) on Warne’s back already is going to make us look very silly one month into his tenure.

 

Normally agree with you on pretty much everything but I don't see the problem here. Warne's reputation is as a manager who plays a particular way (very successfully) and I think Derby fans are asking a) can this work with the squad we have (including the players we spent our bedget on), b) if not, can Warne adapt/tweak his preferred tactics and formation, c) if not, how long will we have to wait to get players in that do fit Warne's methods, and where will we be by then?

All seem reasonable questions, especially after we've seen what we've seen so far. 

Personally I believe Warne will see the evidence before him, make a few tweaks, and things will improve. He seems smart enough. I've never bought into this black v white, passing v hoof it narrative. But I do think the formation isn't working, and probably won't, and there are reasonable questions about whether it's smart to change the fundamental philosophy of a club when you can't sign new players, and a lot of your better players don't obviously fit the new way of thinking. 

If other fans think it 'silly' that we are talking about such things - I'm fine with that. 

4 hours ago, Crewton said:

I don't think the OP was having a pop at either Rosenior OR Warne? I read it more as asking posters to recognise where we've been and how short a time ago that was before getting heavy (or short) with the criticisms - and I write as one who was in favour of giving Liam more time but who now wants to see fans also be patient with Warne.

Hmm. I think there was a bit of a pop at LR with all that 'laborious keep ball' stuff. 

LR was himself a new manager, with a completely new squad, and also worked under Clowes. By all accounts he was pretty close to the full time job and was in talks about it at one point. Did he not deserve the same 'realism' we apparently owe to Warne? If he'd been appointed would the OP still be talking about our 'laborious keep ball' or would he be pretending we were Pep-era Barcelona out of sheer gratitude to David Clowes? 

I'm sure everyone is hugely grateful to the new owner, and will always be grateful. But they are perfectly entitled to express their views of the team, and manager, on this forum. Whether people are being too negative or expecting too much too soon is one thing. But they don't owe it to the owner to either pretend to believe something they don't, or keep their mouth shut. 

It's a forum and people rant about the team for the same reason they came out in droves to save the club: because they love it. Because it matters. 

1 hour ago, Anag Ram said:

Also, watch the speed at which players run. Few sprint into space. That makes playing the progressive pass much trickier. The team needs to work much harder and players need to be available for wall passes which will defeat any defence at this level.

Instead, players see a wave of static teammates and decide on a safer backward pass - cue jeers from the crowd.

This is the bit I definitely agree with Warne on - ie that we need to be more energetic generally, both in terms of pressing and in terms of finding space when we have the ball. (And yes, then we need to do things quicker in terms of moving the ball.)

It was the reason our possession football was so boring and ponderous, and arguably the reason our best passers suddenly look less than brilliant - even the best passer needs something to hit.

Yes, all the best "passing" teams have players with very high technical skills. But they also work incredibly hard with and without the ball.  

3 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:

If the players aren't buying into Warnes style...there's only one way this is going to end up, Warne will be here, Those players wont, Clowes will not sack the man be believes will deliver what we all want...promotion.

It never seems to work out that way though. If results take a dive, and there are no signs of improvement, and Warne loses the dressing room (not one or two players, but many or most) - it'll be him that goes. It's always the manager. It's so much easier than see a squad full of potentially good/valuable players walk away because the boss wants rid at all costs.

Pearson was on a three-year contract and all the noise at the time was that he had been given a remit to put a rocket up what was seen as a pampered, self-regarding, "soft" squad. He lasted, what? Four months? 

Clowes might think he's going to keep faith with Warne come what may. But then this is the first time he's owned a football club.  

2 minutes ago, jameso said:

He’s going to be the latest goes-somewhere-else-and-shows-us-what-we-could-have-had if we’re not careful.

Have there really been that many of those? More often it seems the players we think are great end up doing very little. 

(Ebiowei might be an exception but we were desperate to keep him.)

2 minutes ago, plymouthram said:

There's now a 5 point gap between us and a play-off place and a massive 15 points from an automatic promotion place. Now I understand why Hoofball Warne got a 4 yr contract. It will be 4 years till all the footballing teams are promoted out of this division to give us a chance of making the play-offs. By then Pride Park attendances will drop down to about 12,000.

To be fair I think it's clear that automatic was going to be a huge stretch whoever was managing us, and even if we'd have been able to sign more players. Ipswich and Plymouth look very good for this level. 

Playoffs was realistic, and should still be realistic with this squad. 

1 minute ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

I would bet my house on us lining up three at the back on Saturday at the start of the game. He only changed it tonight because of injuries.

But he will have seen we (and particularly players like NML) looked better like that. 

I can hope, anyway. Not much else to take from tonight!

Hopefully Warne is learning from these games: four at the back suits our better players much better, and Bird and Hourihane don't work together in midfield.

If nothing else I think it's encouraging he was willing to change formations tonight. 

Why not just switch to a 4-4-2? They could still play the same direct style but the pieces would fit so much better. It makes no sense!