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14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Interesting bullet points.

"EFL report:

It has been confirmed to the EFL that the club "can complete the season" after a report was completed into the matter."

We can complete the season until we can’t complete the season it’s that simple - the EFL have knackered the league up any way so it wouldn’t make much difference 

1 hour ago, atherstoneram said:

I think it is,i hope this post doesn't get deleted for political reasons as it isn't meant to be political. BoJo has already stated that NIC are going to rise to raise money for the treasury.How would that sit with voters of all political parties with him saying that then the HMRC accepting only paying 25P in the £ of outstanding taxes

If it was consistent with every other business in the country then there wouldn’t be an issue.

1 hour ago, atherstoneram said:

But that's the PL you are talking about,the government wouldn't give any financial support to EFL clubs during Covid and said the PL could easily afford to do that.

We asked for the premiership money to pay £8 million outstanding VAT, National insurance etc and the EFL denied us the money to actually pay the HMRC 

3 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

I agree with you (never thought i would say that ?),there is no arguing about the clubs loyal fan base but you have to ask yourself why,if they are concerned about clubs going into liquidation did they change the rules for HMRC to become preferred creditors.

Probably because why should football clubs, players, agents etc get all the money they claim they are owed 

1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Don't remember too many folk complaining about Bielik's transfer fee while he was dragging us up by our bootstraps last season. Perhaps their crystal balls were in need of recalibration?

True yet young clough would have purchased a whole team for Mac one to be successful with for the same expenditure 

5 hours ago, ram59 said:

You have to look at the whole incident financially, from the club's point of view, bearing in mind the club knew they were right on the limit at the time. Because of this, any morals had to go out the window in exchange for pure financial decisions.

First, you have Keogh, who we HAD to find a replacement for and pay their wages and who had no value. Remember, the club tried to negotiate a reduced contract while he was injured and as they suspected that the injury was career finishing, like we all did, they even offered him a contract for after his playing career was finished.

Then you have Bennett and Lawrence, who were able to play and did have value. Sacking them would have been financial madness. They would have had a much stronger case against the club than Keogh did. We would have let them go to a rival club for nothing and then have to pay the balance of their contracts. 

It is obvious that Bennett was made available for transfer maybe so was Lawrence, but maybe no other club shared Derby's valuation of him.

Personally, I don't see what else the club could/should have done in the circumstances.

I thought you could sack a player for gross misconduct and still retain the registration for the rest it’s contract so that another team would still have to pay a transfer fee? I may be wrong but isn’t that what happened with Chelsea and Adrian Mutu? Or did Chelsea just sue him for the remainder of his contract?

41 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Google reckons about 450 million USDollars, so around £333 million = one third of a billion GBP. 

Victoria is reputedly worth a similar amount in her own right, so maybe between them, and a few neighbours, they could maybe just about cobble 1 billion pounds together?    ?‍♂️

I'd imagine Victoria would prefer to buy out Peterborough Utd rather than us, though!  ?

Maybe he fancies a game, he’s about the right age profile 

One day he is a left back the next he is a wing back the next he is a centre half - scored a winning goal as well as the odd assist - our most valuable player so far and credit due 

I didn’t make the game today but I would have been pleased with a point anyway after all the efforts at Sheffield United and again against Reading 

Great to have the week we had and the players probably need a rest for some of them to recover so it’s a good time for Break 

having the equal  best defence in the league is staggering and well done.

8 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

I still don't fully understand how Bennett & Lawrence got away with fines and Keogh got sacked despite him just being the passenger. 

I understand he has a degree of responsibility as club captain, but i still feel/felt the punishment was over the top, as proved in a court of law. Your point about Mel trying to save money and seeing it as an opportunity to get Keogh off the wage bill seems to make sense now. Ironically it's actually ended up costing us a lot more money which pretty much sums up Mel's running of the club to be honest. 

Lawrence was more at fault than Keogh for the 'incident', yet Keogh gets sacked for not being a good club captain essentially. Fast forward a couple of years and Lawrence now gets promoted to club captain?. Could only happen in Football! and even more so, could only happen at Derby?

It wasn’t proved in a court of law if it was then a maximum of £80,000 would have been awarded 

it was found proven in a EFL hearing - so apparent football rules - I bet everyone who has just been made redundant wishes they had football rules as well 

15 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

Apparently we still owe £8m for him and another 2 for Jozwiak

Cheers Mel. 

We are owed money for others as well - this really isn’t a story ( apart from we paid too much) 

Well that’s one version 

42 minutes ago, DJAY said:

Based on the appeal that Wigan tried a while back, I doubt an appeal against the 12 points would be successful. Wigan's appeal was dismissed on the following grounds:

“First, we are satisfied on the evidence we have seen that the Insolvency Event arose because Mr Kay, the effective owner, made a commercial decision to choose to go back on promises of continued support and stopped putting money into the Club. That cannot be regarded as a ‘Force Majeure’ event.".

That's basically what happened to us....Mel decided to stop putting money in each month, forcing us into an insolvency event.

 

 

Isn’t that the same as the government stopped you from bringing in your £20 million normal income - rather different from Wigan’s situation 

1 hour ago, Woodley Ram said:

If we stay up with a 12 point deduction we will have done something no one else has done, any more than that is like giving Usain Bolt a 20 yard head start  and expecting to beat him.

I think we will have a decent stab at the 12 and might do it (injuries are my big worry) but more than that we are in major trouble.

One thing for the EFL to think about is that if we have no hope of staying up then we might as well prepare for L1 and play all of the youngsters and make sure we dont have major injuries. That would seriously affect the outcome of the championship.  

And play all the youngsters is exactly what we should do and prepare properly for league one - the results of the games in the championship become an irrelevance to us and so what if it unbalances the league because the league has already been imbalanced 

5 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Certainly there’s a faction that wants us relegated. As much as that they wanted MM to lose his shirt - which he has 

but when did the EFl openly state this ? 

The EFL had it in one of its press releases 

The EFL wanted Derby to get a points deduction - we have 12 currently - job done because without their involvement we wouldn’t  have had the 12 as we would have been sold off and everyone paid and no one made redundant. 

The EFL openly stated they wanted Derby to be relegated - they have severely restricted us recruiting suitability  / properly or even playing some of our own Academy lads - so basically job done.

If the EFL want to punish us further for using our method of amortisation which was perfectly legal and  Rick Parry at the EFL has already said he wants Amortisation taken out of the P&S calculations then the EFL can simply impose a suspended point deduction on that front and they can say it’s finished with and we can move on - they can also give us back the £100,000 fine.

Can’t make it - sad and disappointed - paid for the ticket as well 

Three goal scorers please 

25 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

Sky tv is ducked poo
Two more Saturday games lost. Do you think many will come from Bournemouth for a 12 o’clock kick off? Same old argument I know but Ray Davies didn’t sing ‘I like my football on a Monday night’. Kids can’t go. Those who live away can’t go. Meh. 

They wouldn’t come if they were on a Saturday at 3-00 pm but I think QPR fans are following them this season as their manager plays some good football and they have some good football players ( forest must have sacked him for trying that)

45 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Thats a tough run of games without the curse of Sky to add to it.

It’s plucky Derby now - in fact it’s the only real championship story isn’t it 

5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Obviously just using that as an example. We sold loads of players in 2020:1 if we had sold any more or not brought in replacements we would have been relegated. 

I never understood why we paid those transfer fees for both Bielik  and Jozwiak because at both points it was clear we needed to cut back strongly yet the fees for both were large - we absolutely could have made money on both of them but the timing seemed so wrong.

3 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

The thing is with Hmrc, if they liquidate the club that means no more Paye from players wages . Which makes no sense , and I as a taxpayer leave alone a Rams fan would not be happy with such a counterproductive stance.

I would have commence with tax avoidance of my own which is perfectly legal and something I haven’t used to its maximum potential so at least the HMRC will lose more money if they dare to annoy me so HMRC be warned! 

2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

The argy bargy right now will be regarding all failed periods, not just 1.

As far as I know, we hadn't changed. Certainly not until forced to restate the accounts by the IDC(2). Even then I believe we simply used a new amortisation method altogether and it wasn't until we sat down with the EFL to discuss it that a decision was made to stick to a standard method, hence talk about the retrospective penalty.

We had already completed the 18/19 and half way through the 19/20 season when charged. We would(should) have been working to a budget suitable for the amortisation policy we had in place, although you could argue budgets for seasons 20/21 should be set to cover the possibility of being 'stuck' with the worst policy for our position.
Given a lot of the overspending was a result of 15/16, we should be at a stage where it would now benefit our current P&S position if we were to change back. Ironically, I believe we would have been looking at a much bigger penalty if Gibson hadn't stuck his nose into things - rather than 12 points over the periods up to and including 2021, I estimate 19 instead.

Well the administrators are a bunch of accountants so they should actually know what’s correct or not.

2 minutes ago, Ram1988 said:

How much money will this generate for the club through TV rights?

Enough for the next fine 

Bottom of the league and Sky TV still want us on the TV - I know we are way down on our attendances this season but Sky must be sick of having sub 15,000 crowds - they must also think we are more interesting than the likes of Bristol city, PNE etc