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2 hours ago, Tombo said:

Ashley took over an established top half club, who only 10 years before were title candidates, and got them relegated twice in the span of a decade. They've gone backwards under him. Why anyone thinks he has the knowhow to get us "established in the Premier League" I don't know because he hasn't ever backed a manager in all his time there

Well I have seen us relegated three times from the premiership if I remember correctly and as for not backing his manager that’s just nonsense they have some very good players at Newcastle but due to the standard of the opposition they tend to play negatively more often than not. Fifty odd years ago we were champions of England now we are in administration 

9 hours ago, Yani P said:

Wouldn't want him anywhere near our great club...

Well if he’s selling an established premiership club with a great fan base at a profit then he’s done something right - we need an owner to stabilise us and get us promoted probably twice and has the money to actually pay the bills.

11 hours ago, Rev said:

If Mike Ashley was to take over, I'd call it a day on football.

If no one takes over I would as well !

out of interest what exactly has he done that’s wrong and bad at Newcastle United? 

1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

It's a strange one for me, Newcastle fans have always called Mike Ashley, yet they have always done a fair job in the prem, not been able to hit the heights of the 90s but still. When they did come down they got the best players in and went back up.

They are never happy - they are stable but obviously they can’t compete with the money from Man City United chelsea Liverpool etc 

obviously if their potential new owners take over it will push the noses out of a few premiership clubs so the premiership may well want that not to happen.

Ashley owning and investing in Derby county may well be the exact thing we need right now 

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

Poland play him as either an out-and-out winger or as a wing back. Either way he hogs the touchline playing out wide.

We always ask our "wide" attackers play narrow so they mainly drift inside allowing our full backs to attack the space out wide.

We're asking him to do something different to what Poland ask of him.

Seems he prefers to play as wide as possible.

Typical Derby signing really ?

He is looking to pass it to a top international centre forward though unlike at Derby - it makes a difference

20 minutes ago, rsmini said:

So the owner of a Derbyshire based company is about to have money burning a hole in his pocket. As confirmed on the BBC the Saudi Arabians have finally got the go ahead to buy NUFC. 
 

He likes to buy companies that are in administration.  This has been mentioned a couple of times over the last few weeks 

I would go for that - the bills get paid and we survive and may well progress - he is also opening two stores in our city centre as well 

Morrisville 

1 hour ago, Poynton ram said:

Sold in Jan then

I think that was a possibility before administration to be honest 

9 minutes ago, Crewton said:

True, but any club signing them would be required to pay compensation if the player was under contract - it's another Football Creditor protection measure. 

Given that most of what we owe other clubs is for Bielik and Joswiak, they'd have a fighting chance of getting their money, unless the players are sold by the Administrators to keep the club going beforehand of course. 

We haven’t got many players under contract after this season though have we? So in January they are at the cheapest they ever would be to buy generally 

44 minutes ago, Crewton said:

That sounds right. I guess the determinant will be what assets are defined as fixed in the debenture agreement. Players are an interesting one - you'd assume "floating" but what does the debenture say? 

Apparently you can’t put a value on players otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess 

2 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

The only readily realisable assets are the players .. and even that would only be possible come January. 
 

The club has other assets , the academy players, the leases on the stadium and the training ground but these are only of value to a football club as a going concern. 

but by far the most valuable asset the club has is its fan base … that doesn’t appear in the balance sheet , and again is only of value if the club continues in its present form.

 

You can actually sell players at any time but they can’t be registered to play apart from a transfer window 

1 minute ago, Crewton said:

Reading the EFL rules, if a club goes out of business, academy players registrations are released immediately (they effectively become free agents) but all other players registrations revert to the EFL. They can arrange transfer of individual players and pay the fees received on to any club owed transfer fees for that player. Excess fees otherwise are shared pro-rata to any clubs owed money. So, if that's correct, Arsenal would still possibly get their money, or at least a good part of it. 

Players can still refuse to sign for other clubs though 

3 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

They were over the limit the year before and spent massively that season. Quite probably would have faced a financial meltdown if the goal line technology worked v Sheff Utd and they had been relegated like should have happened.  Just got massively lucky 

They did get lucky ant there lies the difference 

14 hours ago, SinceIWasntSoYoung said:

Just booked my hire car in advance of the Middlesbrough away trip…??

It’s only a mark III 

14 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

Villa drove coach and horses through FFP that season and it was well known 

Yet not yet proved, I am sure it will be but not yet

The EFL are in a position where they can’t improve anything quite frankly and they said as much - they want the government review into football to distribute money from the premiership better and that’s their total plan for football, they are doing nothing in all reality but a bit of begging 

I won’t ever give money for Tickets to this Gibson fella - Middlesbrough away is never going to happen for me anymore 

9 hours ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

To be fair to Boro they really wanted Waghorn, which was why when he was available on a free over summer they rushed in to get him. They rated him that highly!

If they were successful on this then the can of worms would be well and truly opened and we could sue QPR, Villa and Bournemouth and the like. I think it is petty and ridiculous. Is Gibson suing Assombolonga for not scoring enough goals?

 

 

 

 

Just takes Waghorn to say he was never going to sign for them in court then?

9 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

We should be retrospectively taking both QPR and Aston Villa to court, how much money have they cost us by breaking the FFP rules the year we could have got promoted.

One could say that Mel saw QPR break the rules and pretty much get away with it and thought to hell with it, if they can do it we will.

We should try legal action against Ipswich for one of there players breaking Thornes leg, seeing as that probably cost us promotion.

Can’t really take action vs Villa as they haven’t been proved to have broken the rules but QPR we could destroy in the same court 

55 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said:

Max is good. But not that good

Neither are the Arsenal players ! 

1 hour ago, Heisenberg said:

 

Which one of our players are they after?

5 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

That can't be guaranteed if we are relegated,loss of TV income etc.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/366661/vas-factsheet_1_.pdf

     

Historically speaking it can be guaranteed 

20 hours ago, Raich Carter said:

Eh? Are people forgetting that Keogh got himself injured? So they didn't 'all do the same' - Keogh made himself useless to DCFC. The others did a very silly thing but were still capable of playing. 

With regard to Mutu - yes, Chelsea successfully sued him for the £15m.

 

Somewhat surprising that MM hasn’t gone after Keogh for those wages paid whilst missing due to the incident in a court of law as I suspect he would win.

2 minutes ago, atherstoneram said:

Football is not like any other business.

It is. The HMRC can allow any business to be sold or liquidated and it depends on many factors and in our favour is that there is a historical reality that they will receive a heck of a lot of tax income in the future if Derby county survived.

2 minutes ago, atherstoneram said:

Not getting drawn into that again. The government wouldn't give loans to EFL clubs and said the loan should be from the PL. The PL wouldn't provide loans so the EFL had to go to a Third party to secure the loans.

That’s not the case at all the money was made available by the premiership and it was the EFL who denied Derby from getting it