IlsonDerby

That first half performance if you cut out the Cashin error causes Blackburn some problems next Friday. 

45 minutes ago, Day said:

I’m here. 4 hour round trip. Beats watching at home online if you can.

I’ll be sat watching it on my phone poolside in the amalfi coast but I’d be there if I was at home. It’ll have cost peanuts to see us challenged against good opposition. 
 

1 hour ago, Foreveram said:

Just over 4,500 tickets sold for today.

Jesus that is p1ss poor? Where are you all? 
 

12 hours ago, Magicman said:

He has a roaming role as replied before so wide and off the CF like the goal made by Yates. You have to assume he plays collins as yates is missing for 3 games

Yeah he has some freedom but it works because he starts out wide and drifts in because that’s where the space is due to the formation. If we play 2 up top he starts centrally and the wide space is taken up by wingbacks and he’s just stuck in the centre not being as effective. I’d agree Collins should play a bigger part to warm up for Blackburn. 

3 hours ago, Magicman said:

2 goals v Barnsley suggest otherwise !

You mean when he played in a wider role?

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

On signings, Warne's stated he wants to sign a 9, a 10/8 and a pacey CB. We're rumoured to be after a LB/LWB too. Given those intended additions, it adds up to a 3 at the back. What the current squad looks like and is best suited to is different to what Warne wants it to look like in September and what the squad at that point is best suited to.

"It has to be a midfield 3 ith the amount of central midfielders we have" is also counted by "It has to be a defensive 3 with the amount of central defenders we will have".
"That means the options are 352" also doesn't make use of any of our wingers (including captain), unless played out of position at wing back or CF. Meanwhile "or 433" doesn't even stack up as we lined up with 4231 last night and we don't have any AMs. Goudmijn was played further forward than his best position for the first 60, followed by Collins being brought on to play as the 10.

All evidence points towards 3421 and 4231 as the main formations.

Really? We have way more central midfielders than central defenders. 

7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

The context (to me) suggests we'll play 3 at the back most games, with 4 at the back against the sides which aren't as good offensively. 3421 and 4231 likely the main formations.

I hope you’re wide of the mark here. He’s acknowledged the squad is more suited to 433. Would take an idiot to not play what the squad is most suited to, which I don’t believe Warne is. 
 

It has to be a midfield 3 with the amount of central midfielders we have especially with Warne wanting another. That means the options are 352 or 433. We simply don’t have the attacking options for 352. 
 

Id like to see 433 with Nyambe utilised for tough games and away games and Wilson utilised for those where we can be expected to go and have some joy. 
 

1 hour ago, Magicman said:

Ifs and buts mate - meanwhile so far the evidence is there to judge  him as a waste of time. 

500 minutes ffs what were you like when we signed Stevie Howard and he had a slow start? 

24 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

When this guy signs he’s going to have a stack of pressure on him to perform to a very high standard based on the other keeper we have.

Not be difficult based on the same reason

I think if last night followed a more positive start to pre season then there’d be less of a concern. From 20 to 60 minutes we were the only side that looked like winning. Had we not have then made 6? Changes and altered the team significantly we’d have probably gone on to comfortably win it against a team we struggled against last year. 
 

4 hours ago, Magicman said:

The guys an embarrassment to DCFC get shot !!

Behave you drama queen 😂 

‘an embarrassment’ never seen owt like it haha in our recent history we’ve literally had players crash and leave their captain in the car and run off but some fella with less than 500 minutes for us is the embarrassment. 
 

Honestly there’s always a clamour for us to do a Brentford etc but we’ll never manage it with fans like this that write someone off at the drop of a hat. 500 minutes. 
 

If you still feel that he’s underperformed at the end of this season with loads of minutes under his belt then fair enough but he still wouldn’t be ‘an embarrassment’

Less than 500 minutes of football. It’s difficult to impress without any sort of consistent game time especially from what strikes me as a confidence player. 
Don't write him off yet. 
 

Off topic slightly - Tommy Barkhuizen has looked lively in pre season. That cross for Collins last night was pin point but aside from that he looked to make things happen. 

3 minutes ago, Magicman said:

on tonight showing this is my start team 

New Keeper 

Nelson Bradley Cashin 

Wilson Adams Ozho 

Kenzo 

NML New Striker Barks 

Ah yes the trusty 3313 formation with no left back/left wing back. 
A classic. 
 

Crap result that. 
 

Key takeaways are that Cashin’s performance was alarming - should have given up a penalty - and Vickers cannot start even one game as our number 1 in the championship. 
 

Miles better than previous games but Christ the goals we conceded were Sunday league. 

Think we started slowly and sloppily and have gradually grown into the match. Thought we looked a lot more likely to score a second than they did by end of the half. 

That goal also didn’t do Vickers any favours. 
 

I reckon if the Swedish lad arrives in the UK at 6pm Friday he still plays against Blackburn 😂

Jesus wept where was Vickers then??? 
 

Just now, IlsonDerby said:

After a few shakey touches that was some excellent full back play by Elder to receive the ball and pick out Yates. 

Another good ball down to NML.

After a few shakey touches that was some excellent full back play by Elder to receive the ball and pick out Yates. 

This is a £1.5m that could lead to £10m next summer if he has a strong season with us and there’s interest on the continent. 

Feels so much more balanced looking at a 433. 

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

Fair point. He's doesn't really fit any shape that involves 3 at the back in my view, as he's not a natural fit in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1.

I do think that people are getting too transfixed on us ALWAYS playing 3/5 at the back this season though, there will be plenty of games where it's 4-3-3- or 4-2-3-1 (as was the case last season) where CBT does have a natural role in the team.

@Ghost of Clough how many times did we start as a back 4 last season?

I think the games with 4 at the back was him recognising we didn’t have the personnel needed for the system of his choice. 

29 minutes ago, Carnero said:

I agree with all of this, except that we can't dictate the system around a £300,000 signing.

He's only considered 'marquee' (in your terms) as he was the first fee we'd paid in years and seemed to signify a watershed moment post-admin, but the reality is it's a £300,000 signing which is absolute chicken feed in the context of transfer fees for a championship club. It's Nigel Clough money.

If CBT doesn't fit then sell him back to a promotion chasing L1 club. I have no doubt whatsoever that we'd get our £300,000 back, if not more.

I don’t mean marquee because of the price tag I meant it because it was clear that Warne had been after him for successive transfer windows to the point where we paid for a player we could have had for free in another 6 months. 
Warne and the club were clear that we were trying to sign players that could make the step up (Ebou, Nyambe etc) so you have to assume they’d believe he was one to go up with including being a big part of the squad. 
 

Next 2 pre season matches have got to show something that resembles how we’ll be setting up a week on Friday. 
 

We have significantly reduced the age/fitness profile of our squad. Even the older lads signed (Osborn and Jackson) feel fitter and more athletic than those we have lost. CBT has also had a full Warne preseason. 
 

What we put out against Barnsley and Zaragoza has got to build a bit more optimism into the fan base. Sack this 2 upfront b******* off when you’ve only got 2 strikers you’re willing to play and loads of wide attackers who don’t fit into the system. 
 

            Vickers 

 Nyambe Nelson Cashin 

Wilson Ozoh Ebou Elder 

   NML Yates Jackson 

            Luthra 

   Bardell Bradley Forsyth 

Ward Kenzo Osborn Thompson 

  Barkhuizen Collo CBT 

GK, CB, LWB, Attacker and Forward are clearly what needs to be addressed before the end of August as we well knew. 
 

If we see something like 

                 Vickers 

     Nyambe Nelson Cashin 

Wilson Ozoh Kenzo Ebou Elder 

             NML Jackson 

then I’ll be disappointed as It’d make the marquee signing of last season -  CBT - seem totally out of sync with the plan. 

9 hours ago, oomarkwright said:

You would have thought that Joau would be ideal as a Warne type player. Did brill at Reading. 

30 years old and was a first choice striker for a long time at Reading but still only made 340 appearances in his career. Only made it above 40 league appearances once in his career. 
 

Doesn’t strike me as a Warne type.