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12 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

What's even more bizarre than you constructing a timeline of our oppositions "chances" is that someone else on the forum has actually applauded your efforts. 

Wasn’t he just asked what chances they created with the passing? 
 

Can’t believe how hard it is for some of our fans to admit that Exeter played nice football and did create decent opportunities against us just because we play dull (albeit effective) football. 

13 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

They passed the ball around well and kept possession well, however, its pretty pointless if it ends with you having 2 shots on target.

 

You may as well be lumping it forward and feeding off scraps around the area.

 

They created only 2 shots on target against arguably the best defence in the division… 

Against lesser defences there’d be more coming from that football. 

Thinks it’s wrong to say we didn’t deserve the win. We did. 
 

3-0 probably flattered us as contrary to what some on here would have you believe they didn’t ‘pass without creating owt’. They had a number of good chances. We had more good chances. 
 

I guess when it comes down to it us having better players mattered when it came to those chances and it led to an enjoyable performance. 
 

Just now, Returning ram said:

They played pretty football but never did I think it was good. I can see why it's referred to as pointless, it was slow, easy to defend against and safe. Chelsea have better players and did something similar in the first half the other night, that was also pointless, possession for possession sake.
 

It may be good football in your eyes which is fair enough, but for me that type of slow football is not as good as our performance last night, which gave 3 goals and could have been more.

As I mentioned above - their shot goes in rather than hitting the post and we have to come out a bit more leaving more space. Us going one nil up allowed us to stick to a game plan and execute it perfectly but at 0-0 they looked better than us. We relied on a piece of magic from Bird. They don’t have a player anywhere near as good as Bird. You replace their CB with Cash, their midfielder with Bird, their forward with Collins and get them to play that type of football and it’d be very very effective whilst looking easy on the eye. 
 

We did well but as mentioned it I had to choose a type of football I’d enjoy theirs more over a season particular with our squad ahead of theirs. 

48 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I'm not sure at what point in time people lost focus of what the idea of the game is.

Football is about scoring at one end and not conceding at the other end.

Doing lots of pointless passes does not make you a better football team because you get absolutely nothing for doing lots of passes.

They were better at keeping the ball than us, that is all.

 

Football matches last the best part of 100 minutes. Our goals combined took about 8 seconds to score. 
 

It isn’t weird of fans to focus on the other 99 minutes of the match otherwise why not just switch on the highlights an hour after it’s finished? 
 

It’s frankly ridiculous to suggest they were doing pointless passes.
 

They were getting it through the lines well but didn’t have the quality to do anything with it.

Remember the difference in the first half is Max Bird wonderfully dribbling past 4 players before pinging it in from 20 yards. They crafted a well worked opportunity for a shot from 20 yards out and it came back off the post. 
 

I enjoyed the win but to say Exeter weren’t playing good football is just disingenuous. With better players that type of performance gives us a hell of a lot of problems. Luckily for us we have better players as you’d expect with our budget. 

10 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Richie Barker saying on radio Derby that CBT felt his hamstring tighten so that’s why he was subbed off at half time. 

Yeah he was playing a bit like he wasn’t 100% so wasn’t surprised he was taken off at half time. 

10 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yeah the better side if the idea of the game was about pointless passing, which some people seem to think it is.

The better side scored 3 goals and conceded 0 as us old fashioned people still believe is the idea of the game.

Cant see that sort of plan catching on.

More crucial passes and xG is a much better plan.

Why is it so controversial to acknowledge that Exeter knock it about really well and were playing the better football?
 

Our higher quality showed over the 90 but imagine what it’d look like if they had our squad/budget and were coached to play football like that? 
 

We played really well on the break. 

Best goal difference in the division… 

Kinell if he’s injured that’s the season fxcked

Some lovely passing football by Exeter. Who’s coaching them these days? 

I think ultimately due to the NDAs we’ll never know how much SP just accepted what Mel was doing vs whether he pushed back. 
 

Think the amortisation stuff is a bit harsh to beat him with. He found a loophole within the rules at the time and exploited it as many curly haired prats from Tyneside have done with tax losses previously. 
 

I also think unless he knew that Mel was planning on stopping funding us and placing us into admin that he was working within the budget set by the owner. 
 

I just can’t imagine DC keeping him around if he was guilty of anything really bad.

1 hour ago, David said:

Absolute nonsense stat that needs to get in the bin.

Rubbish. 
 

Shots on target/shots assume each shot is just as likely to go in which leads to people assuming ‘more shots = better performance’. xG rightfully builds on that over simplified view and looks at the quality of chances rather than just quantity of chances. I can’t see how anyone can say it’s not a useful metric. 
 

Surely moved past smarmy pundits giving it the ‘the only stat that matters is the goals scored stat’ large. 
 

It was clear from xG that despite derby not having the results we’d like under Rosenior we were creating quality chances that we simply weren’t taking. (The eye sight test would tell you that Collins had a howler of a start to last season but xG took the emotion out of those claims that we were a boring team that didn’t attack. We did. We attacked very well. We just couldn’t hit a barn door). 

Whereas Rotherham were massively over performing against their xG at the start of last season and eventually started falling like a stone with only the over performance at the start of the season keeping them up ultimately. They regressed back to where their underlying stats said they should have been. 

27 minutes ago, Returning ram said:

Derby lost DM, Knight, Dobbin, Robert's, Davies, have two forwards out injured...I could go on. 

But bought in 3 full/wingbacks, the cb he’d been courting all summer, a better back up keeper. Dobbin wasn’t getting a start, Davies has been replaced by the better Nelson (hurts saying that), McGoldricks goals have been replaced by Collins and NML stepping up. Forsyth has been solid and I genuinely think Elder is an excellent player at this level who will win fans around. 
 

Knight the real loss in the middle but spent just as much time at right back last season and I’d argue Nyambe is a better right back. 
 

There’s no doubting for me that we are a stronger outfit than last season and a fit back up striker away from being arguably the strongest squad in the division. 

20 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

The highest wage bill Warne had in L1 was £6.5m (inclusive of non-playing staff). The budget at Derby is double that.

So is he saying he fluked landing on a squad capable of doing what he wanted back then because I don’t know why he hasn’t been able to with double the money 

21 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Completely agree.

We got absolutely battered against Ipswich away, they had numerous opportunities. Finished 1.7xG - 0.14xG, with us only have 3 shots in the box. Again, Ipswich at home, we got dominated. We couldn't get near them in the first half, we had a small spell in the second half with our disallowed goal but that was it.

Plymouth at home, we were 2-0 up and half time and I remember speaking to the people around me thinking how the hell we were 2-0 up, we'd been battered. Then the fair result came to be in the end. Against them away it was an even competitive game.  

Completely forgot about the home game! @Jourdan we were battered by Plymouth at home and as Jubba says I have no idea how we went 2-0 up! 

23 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I feel like there’s little point debating it anymore. Those who have concerns about Warne have set their stall, those who are willing to give it more time have set theirs and the pages of to and fro across the forum make it very clear there’s little movement in those mindsets and not much by way of persuasion being considered.

I’m not arguing in support of Warne or saying he should be everyone’s choice for manager, it’s the proverbial p*ssing in the wind at this point, with many holding valid concerns which they’ve expressed many times over.

Results and performances are the only things that will make a difference to those entrenched in either view, and even then, as @TomTom92 said in another thread yesterday, I think it’s plain that Warne just isn’t for some people and regardless of what he does or doesn’t achieve there’s plenty who’ll be glad to see him go when the time comes. I just hope he gets the team promoted and whoever does replace him, whenever and however Warne leaves, perhaps proves less divisive of a character.

I’ll be honest - my problem is not Warne and has never been Warne. My problem is performances and that more often than not we still feel along way away from what he thinks his football should look like at full flow yet he’s had 3 transfer windows and a very healthy budget to work with. 
 

I’m pretty sure that our budget is higher than any of the Rotherham sides he took up. 
 

If we were playing the football I think he envisages his teams playing then yeah it’d be a bit of a change from the possession based stuff we were a bit more used to but ultimately it’d still be entertaining to watch but in a different way. 

10 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Considerably better? I watched four of the six games and I have to say we were competitive against all three sides.

Plymouth away, we were the better side for 55-60 minutes and should have taken our chances to put the game to bed. Barkhuizen couldn’t score with a point blank range header and the game turned. Plymouth caught us in the break and got a very fortunate penalty.

Wednesday away, we were the better side until Davies’ mistake and even with 10 men, we kept Wednesday honest and created some good openings. Bird had a glorious chance to level it.

Wednesday at home, it was a drab game and both teams very much cancelled each other out. Of the few chances, we had the best of them.

Ipswich away, our approach was not pretty yes but it was a reasonable plan to contain and frustrate Ipswich and it would have worked if we hadn’t made such an unforgivable mistake in defence, another one by Davies as I remember.

This idea that they were levels above in quality, I don’t get. Consistency and ability to hold their nerve, yes. But actual quality? It’s closer than people say.

I disagree. I really do. We didn’t have a shot on target against Ipswich away. It was the first time I really understood just how bleak Warne’s football could be. 
There’s nobody in this division we shouldn’t be mustering a shot in target against. That was embarrassing. I have to assume it’s because they had so much more quality than us than it being part of a game plan. 
 

Plymouth always looked like coming back against us after our unexpected opener - you talk about them being fortunate. Look at the state of NML goal again against them 😂 never seen owt like it. 
 

Wednesday as I said - didn’t feel great against us but they consistently did it against the cannon fodder in this division (ie anyone below the top 8). 
 

2 teams achieved over 100 points last year in a more difficult division (in my opinion). We have improved our squad. The only place on paper we were weaker is up top but Collins has stepped up and replaced McG’s goals and NML has upped his output too so that hasn’t actually been an issue. 
 

I know we are worlds apart on this. I’d see not going up this year as a failure - even if we lost in the playoffs because I genuinely think our squad is top 2 quality. This isn’t me having blinkers on - I listen to the podcasts that discuss league 1 football and they all had us for top 2 before a ball was kicked. Bookies had us heavy favourites too. 

1 hour ago, Jourdan said:

I watched Ipswich, Plymouth and Wednesday against us last season and I didn’t feel they were massively ahead of us in terms of quality, but granted I missed Ipswich at home at a time when they were really motoring.

All of the games I saw were tight and decided on fine margins. Better they were, but not by much. I think where all three teams were better than us was at maintaining their consistency levels and being able to finish strongly.

Is this year as good? It’s impossible to objectively quantify and everyone’s opinion will be different. Personally I think it’s at the same level in terms of difficulty and competitiveness and if you look back to the same time last season, the table is trending in a similar way.

Ipswich and Plymouth both looked considerably better than us in our matches last season even if the results were close. 
 

Wednesday didn’t but they were proper flat track bullies and beat who they should have been beating. 

7 hours ago, ram59 said:

What's the combined cost of the Leicester squad?

Make them give all their players away, including their youngsters that they have nurtured.

Make them sign only free agents on limited wages and then we'll see, especially with teams treating it as their cup final every week. Quite often, big teams are humbled or struggle against league 1 opposition in the cup, even with their mega expensive players. It would be interesting to see how they would cope, having the big name, but without the big players to go with it 

Give them a budget that means they can sign players that 21 of the clubs in the division could only dream of attracting? 

9 hours ago, Ambitious said:

After 31 games this season, I think most of us know roughly where we are as a football side. Results have been impressive, at times,  performances just haven’t been. Days like this are going to happen, especially when the performance levels aren’t there to back it up, so it’s not one to get stressed about. 

It is though if you care about the more long term. The only people happy to swallow this are the ‘up at all cost’ opinions regardless of what happens afterwards in the championship 

Vile defending 

That tackle from Hourihane was stupidity. Very lucky not to be sent off.

Show some experience ffs

Look a yard quicker than Shrewsbury since the goal! 

Please don’t be Bob Malcom. Please don’t be Bob Malcom. Please don’t be Bob Malcom. Please don’t be Bob Malcom. Please don’t be Bob Malcom. 
 

Appearance #1: optimism at 10/10 from me. 
let’s hope he kicks in and doesn’t become BM mark 2. 
 

8 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

Seemingly outplayed by Buxton? 

adult football is so so different to academy football. Most of these lads are nowhere near first team ready yet (and that’s no criticism) so the constant hankering for them to be given first team minutes right now is frustrating. 

12 hours ago, Grimbeard said:

You'd think that knowing how to spell licence properly would be a key skill for the Rotherham H.R. Dept.

It’ll be some poor old receptionist on minimum wage who will have written that up 😂