OoooMarkWright

Move on. 
It was great in 2014, but let’s leave it there. Warnes here for the season, Mac’s managerial days are done.

Warne isn’t going anywhere soon. He’ll get at least the rest of this season. All this talk of names to replace him is a bit daft in afraid. I’m no fan of Warne or the football, but Clowes won’t act unless we’re bottom half in my opinion.

Warne isn’t going anywhere soon. He’ll get at least the rest of this season. All this talk of names to replace him is a bit daft in afraid. I’m no fan of Warne or the football, but Clowes won’t act unless we’re bottom half in my opinion.

Warne isn’t going anywhere soon. He’ll get at least the rest of this season. All this talk of names to replace him is a bit daft in afraid. I’m no fan of Warne or the football, but Clowes won’t act unless we’re bottom half in my opinion.

No, that was Mac 1.
Mac 2 was more defensive, not as much fun. Julian De Sart and a 3-0 defeat at Brighton was how it ended. No where near as good as Mac 1, more cautious. One decent run and then the usual wheels came off when he had to react to a bad spell. He couldn’t turn it round. Move on folks!

Move on. 
It was great in 2014, but let’s leave it there. Warnes here for the season, Mac’s managerial days are done.

This thread, together with others where names are being suggested as a potential replacement for Warne, is becoming more and more bizarre. Steve McLaren, Warnock - who next, Billy Davies?
No way do I see David Clowes considering a change, at least not this side of Christmas and even if he did, it won't be with managers well past their sell-by date.

1Wildsmith 7 Did everything asked of him.
35Nelson 7 Defended well
6Cashin 6.5 A few stray passes but decent overall 
3Forsyth 7 solid as ever, good on the ball, one of our better players again.
11Méndez-Laing 5.5 Looked tired
17Sibley 7 Good. Used it well. A threat 
12Smith 6.5 Fine
4Hourihane 6
Embleton 5.5 Can’t run. Half hearted clearances. Not fit but expected a bit more dynamism
22Fornah 6 Fine
20Elder 5.5 Looked lost, not his fault, but he’s a left back and not an attacking player
Barkhuizen 6.5 Did ok. Should have hit target at the end
10Waghorn 7 Worked hard, hit bar. Looked lively
14Washington 5.5 Poor. Never looks likely to score and poor final ball for Waghorn. Energy isn’t enough when you have little quality. 
9Collins 7 Better than Washington. Drifted too much in Sibleys way but did well. Good peno.

I struggled to understand our formation in the first half. Was it a 3 or a 4 at the back? If it was a 4 which it seemed it was on occasions, where the hell was Elder playing? I struggled to understand his role all afternoon. If it was a 3, Elder and Smith have to be the worst 2 wingbacks going forward I’ve seen. They made  Richard Jackson and Paul Boertien look like Carlos and Cafu for Brazil. Very odd tactics today.
Thought Sibley did well when he came on, linked well down the left. Embleton looked like he couldn’t run, very one paced. Collins did well but drifts to the left too much. Washington is terrible. Despite this, we came closest first half. A point probably fair. Thought the ref was decent, but linesman was awful.

We don't know
Warne doesn't know
Elder doesn't know 
Same as most most of the players.
 
NML is an explosive winger... did he take a single player on on the outside  today?  Did Fornah stick to a DM role and take the ball off the defenders before finding a forward pass? Did Washington and Waghorn look like two players who know each other's games and could form a good partnership? 

I think it was Lincoln away that did for him & we were poor that night. Unfortunately for Liam, we hadnt converted dominance into goals in the previous 3 away league games (Charlton, Shrewsbury & Fleetwood) and so the narrative of us being impotent away from home was born. Richie Barker even made reference to it in an interview pre-Bolton...brass neck of him to come out with that & then deliver that garbage yesterday.
Rosenior leaving felt at the time & still does as a massive missed opportunity. I don't necessarily think we would've gone up last season but I think the foundations would be much stronger than they are now. Possession based football takes longer to implement (certainly more than the 8 games he got) but has a much higher chance of long term success. He also had connections higher up the pyramid (which he leveraged to bring in quality players) & an obvious affinity with the youth ranks. He was the man to help rebuild the club on the pitch.
Instead we brought in Captain Pinball, with all the fanfare about his 'promotion record' only to spend the last 12 months being finger-wagged that we shouldnt expect promotion & how he always needs another 6 months from the point at which he is questioned. We've gone backwards since Sep 2022 & that is a damning indictment on his appointment. 

He’s off somewhere

He’s off somewhere

Last season our fullbacks for many games were Smith (a CM) and Sibley (an AM) and neither of them embarrassed themselves
I really think a couple of players whose positions are a tiny bit further forward than RB could probably adapt

I wouldn’t have got rid of Rosenior. I think he earned the right to continue for at least the season. Having said that, I understood the reasons for bringing in Warne. 
Apart from that, he’s been brilliant. 

Why would he? We have wasted a great opportunity in picking up younger free transfers. Those players have now been snapped up. All that is left is the dregs. The has beens. A loan or two is the only option now. The summer recruitment has been an absolute shambles. Everything Warne said he wanted, we’ve gone and got the opposite. I wouldn’t trust him or the ‘recruitment team’ to get the right personnel in now. They need to focus on what we have and sorting it out on the training ground. The level of performance and tactics is a massive worry. We look way off it.

Remember a few weeks ago when there was rumours that Warne had left? Makes you think, did something kick off? I can’t believe how dysfunctional this team/squad is. Something isn’t right. We declined a little last season to miss out. But there are no explanations for the nervousness, the lack of ideas, the lack of anything in regards performances. Strange times.
He’s bigging Oxford up, but they lost their first 2 games too so can’t be that good. He has to switch to a back 4, it’s not working, but what a waste of a pre season that is when we’ve spent the whole time prepping to play with a 3. He’s under big pressure now for me. 

Its the general direction of travel I'm not keen on. Signing journeyman players on short term deals, they don't extend their deals (shock horror they are all in it for the money), no resale value, continue to let youngsters get too close to the end of their deals and go for peanuts. Rinse and repeat. How do we as supporters connect to these players because with the exception of Fozzy and maybe Cashin I'm struggling to see any of these as Derby players if you get where I'm coming from, this is a means to and end for most of them for a little bit. Bird won't be here for much longer sadly. That's not being melodramatic that is the reality of this philosophy we seem to be going with. 

Clowes poised over the sack button 
 

Deserved.
That Mark Harris is decent isn’t he? Thought there were no decent forwards on the market Warne?

Derby v Man City? 89/90 season. I’m going to go with 1989. Kevin McMinn - very formal. Must have been before his knee injury. What a great team that was.

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

This made me laugh.
The standards have been set by those at the the club.
The chairman says the expectation is  promotion, the manager says the expectation is promotion, Joe ward says that the expectation is promotion and that they know what standards they have to live up to, every player interviewed has made it clear that we should be seriously challenging for pronotion...
...but god forbid the fans have any expectations or hold them to those standards. 
Paul Warne has been brought in to get us promoted. If people see problems in his performance which they think may stop him achieving that they're allowed to speak up about it, whether that's 2 games into the season or 20.
It doesn't mean they're impatient ingrates baying for blood, willing him to make mistakes so they can have a rant. 
Some people seem to think we should just sit back and meekly accept failure, and be grateful for whatever we get given just because of where we were a year and a bit ago, but it doesn't work like that - the club aren't sitting there feeling sorry for themselves so why should the fans?

Do you mean a mad rush in the sense of lots of people trying to buy tickets or, a rush of mad people after last nights game?😀

Getting the balance right will be really hard with this squad. I’m not a Warne guy, I’ll be honest, but I think he’s been dealt a bit of a dud hand. We recruited a team of players last summer who were all really good technically for Liam, and then went and got Warne after 11 games with no money to spend for minimum 3 windows. If we really wanted him, we should have got him straight away. 
Warne wants us to condense the middle of the pitch with high energy to win the ball back, then get it out wide to a wingback who puts an early ball into the box. The problem is we have lost the midfielder most suited to the system. We now have 3 technical players who Warne wants to go sprinting around and getting stuck in for 90 minutes combined with a winger who is out of position. Our summer business never seems to have attempted to address this. 
The other issue I see is the back three. They are simply too slow and not athletic enough to play as high as they are and also overlap when needed. It leaves us really exposed to any kind of pace or movement in behind and can open up a big gap between defenders and midfield, as seen for Wigan’s first when Bradley could only really go backwards and woefully under hit the pass. It’s the third goal that we’ve conceded in this manner so far this season when pre season is included so it’s clearly an issue. 
The result is we can’t win the ball back as quickly as we would like, leaving us exposed through the middle, and when we do win it back and get it into the box, our striker is on his own vs three or four because the midfield isn’t dynamic enough to chase in, or have dropped deeper to cover the defenders. I know it’s only been one game of the season, but a lot of these problems were evident last season when our unbeaten run came to an end. 
Finally, we are bringing in predominantly older players and have a paper thin squad. It’s a symptom of our situation, but it really hinders our ability to play ‘gas out football’ to any serious level. Warne says he wants another 2 players, but I think we are really 4/5 short. With the new added time rules we are essentially playing an extra 7 games over a league season in terms of minutes and that will hit us harder than any promotion rivals. The small squad also makes it really hard to change a game tactically. We can make five subs, but we only really have 4 or 5 serious options from the bench when the squad is fully fit. I think this season will be really tough for us, and I believe a combination of the recruitment not matching what the manager ideally wants and the manager’s inability to play any other system are the major reasons for this.