StarterForTen
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Given Boris' speech just now, can we add 33,000 Rams fans to the mix too!
COYR!
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So does the appeal decision now mean Wycombe are incoming with they £15m writ?
Good luck with that!
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That statement from the EFL is very aggressively worded considering they are talking about one of their member clubs!
Surely, if the re-submissions show the Club remained within the P&S limits (as we will find out in due course) then a six-figure fine for what is an accounting policy misdemeanour is absolutely all the punishment should be.
Given the tone of the statement, you have to suspect that the EFL feel that the Club will not be within the limits and they very much feel the accounting policy was not a misdemeanour at all but blatant bending of the rules, and that Derby have 'got away with it'.
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49 minutes ago, JoetheRam said:
Starting line up next season:
GK: Clough & Taylor Statue
RB: Rammie
CB: Private Derby
CB: Derek from Chad
LB: Walking Backwards Man
RM: The King of Rome
CM: Robert Lindsay
CM: Robert Maxwell's Re-animated Corpse
LM: Owen Bradley
CF: The Steve Bloomer Bust
CF: Kenco Coffee Cup
I bet we'd still do better than last season.
Seen as you've got a couple of statues in there already, surely there's a place for Rooney as well?
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38 minutes ago, ram59 said:
Continuing on this theme, how can it be fair to dock points after the season has finished? A 2 point penalty given before the last game would have meant us still going for a win in those last 10 minutes rather than sitting on the draw. Wednesday had all season to make up their 6 point penalty.
By any stretch of the imagination you have to say that, as the calendar turns into July, the 2020-21 season has now ended. So, if a point penalty is indeed awarded for a historical breach, why should it apply to THAT particular season? It's not like the effects of the breach were linked to the outcome of last season any more than they were for the previous three or four.
The charges were actually brought during the 2019-20 season, so why don't we apply them to that? Dock us 12 points in that season and we finish 17th on 52 points instead of 10th on 64.
It's as logical as applying it to any other historical season.
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A law suit may well be in the offing. But by bandying around phrases like 'systematic cheating' it might be heading his way, not to Derby!
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2 minutes ago, SaintRam said:
I hope our away kit is Wycombe's home kit.
If the EFL get their way, our home kit will be the Wycombe home kit!
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No one seems to have asked if we can actually afford to pay the £100k fine. After all, that is more than our envisaged player recruitment budget for next season...
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Never mind all this talk of points deductions, retrospective relegations, vendettas and mis-management - the only burning question about the first fixture of next season is...
Will we be wearing blue shorts or not??
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27 minutes ago, LouiseDCFC23 said:
Love this fixture list has got me excited to be back some great weekends away and key dates at home.... As to this rubbish about us being in league 1 sorry no chance. Appeals would take far to long for anything to happen and EFL have already lost they just seem to think if the keep appealing they will eventually get us they are the biggest sore losers in football!
Remember that the EFL have the power to reschedule matches if they wish to. They could postpone Derby and Wycombe's first ten games so as to allow time for the processes to be completed if they so wished. Then it would be three games a week for six months!
I know, highly unlikely, but just making the point that the start of the season is not necessarily a clear line in the sand.
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2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:
I don't think their potential appeal is against our to be re-submitted accounts I think its against the £100k fine. In other words they could appeal today if they wanted.
This!!
The accounts submission is tomorrow's problem; today's is whether the EFL accept the punishment handed down for the accounting policy breach.
From the Club Statement, there seems to be open acknowledgement that the EFL wanted a points deduction for it - but, if they do appeal the sanction, to go from a £100k fine to a relegation-inducing retrospective points deduction would take quite a change of attitude from the Panel towards the 'value' of the breach.
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Just as importantly... who have Wycombe got first up?
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3 minutes ago, AutoWindscreens said:
There's still a good possibility that the EFL don't appeal.
They got the judgment yesterday. Presumably they argued for a points deduction, and that is why they had already developed the option of interchangeable fixture lists.
They have the option of an appeal and right now they are thinking of it. If you don't get what you want from a judgment, your first public statement is that you are considering the judgment and considering an appeal. No point in committing yourself either way.
But it doesn't mean that they will appeal, because that will depend on deciding there is a good chance of showing that the DC was too lenient, or got something wrong. When you're talking about punishments, the DC will have a reasonably wide range of possible responses within which the Appeal Panel could not say they were wrong. It may well be that their advice will be that the DC could not really be said to have got it wrong, even if they disagree with it.
The appeal provisions say: "the Appeal ... shall be limited to a consideration of whether the decision being appealed was in error and the burden of establishing the decision was in error shall rest with the appellant; and ... in the case of appeal against sanction, the grounds are that the original sanction was too severe or too lenient having regard to all the circumstances."
So I actually doubt that in the end the EFL will appeal.
Wishful thinking maybe!
You beat me to it!
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I think we might be giving too much weight to the 'interchangeable fixtures' statement. Given the timing of the announcement of the punishment and the release of fixtures so close to it, the EFL are just covering the bases.
There is an appeal period built in to the decision and, to take advantage of that they either had to plan for a relegation contingency or hold back the entire fixture release for both the Championship and League One.
Just because they have -sensibly - covered the bases does not mean they intend to appeal.
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….and I don’t think I’ve ever been less excited about them!
Fixture release day was always the watershed between seasons in my eyes; time to look forward to the circus rolling into town once again.
But this year feels like the clowns are already here.
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A friend of mine who works with Umbro - the one who told me about the pink last year - has mentioned that the home kit has blue in it this year. He was very cagey, so no further details other that, but could it be back to blue shorts?
He also said that one of the two away kits was 'stunning'; the other one was a bit boring.
On behalf of B4 I asked if there was any pink involved and he said 'not in the outfield kits' - maybe a pink keeper's kit?
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Clubs have been briefed by the EFL to plan for 50% capacity until end of September, according to a chief executive I spoke to last week.
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21 hours ago, Dimmu said:
and it should be kicked with black boots looking like these
Wow, Copa Mundials; they were the bees knees and replaced my Beckenbauer Supers. Got lured into a pair of Puma SPA Kings by their unfeasibly long tongues but should never have stepped away from the Copas. I blame that decision for not making it as a pro.
Well, it's either that or the fact I was complete poo...
(All the gear, No idea)
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4 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:
for all we know we may have now submitted these and have no embargo.
Absolutely - the summer transfer window does not officially open until June 9th so it matters not at the moment.
And most players we might be interested in (ie those not commanding a fee!) will be under contract with current clubs until June 30th.
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10 hours ago, BaaLocks said:
I think it's an incredible stretch of the imagination to expect any club to be going on a similar journey to Leicester ten years later, with the gap that has developed since.
Not an incredible stretch of the imagination, though it may be an incredible stretch of the reality!
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28 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:
Yup, and I'm by no means saying that Derby can't be an established EPL club but, in order:
1: Leicester were not £60m in debt, under transfer embargo, without filed accounts and coming off a season where they were three minutes from being relegated when they were bought. Indeed Vichai became a fan after watching them in the 1997 League Cup Final, not sure there are too many billionaires around who saw us at Wembley as their first game.
2: Sorry, but Leicester is a bigger city than Derby and with a much wider hinterland than us, stretching across to East Anglia and down to Northants.
3: They got there first, yes that could have been us but when the deal for Leicester went through in 2010 there was so much less of a gap than there is now.
4: The Leicester owners are, by pretty much all's acceptance, an anomaly in the modern game - there for the city and the club (for reasons I don't quite understand but still).
Life is unfair maybe, but it didn't happen to us and it's much more unlikely than ever to happen now.
Again all very fair points. But I don’t give as much weight to point 2. Leicester might be a slightly bigger city than Derby but then they have two clubs to support - Tigers are the best supported rugby side in the UK.
And Leicester weren’t in that rosey a state in 2010. Admittedly they were better positioned than we are now but they didn’t have the academy set up we have.
But we’re getting distracted by semantics, the point is that a journey for Derby like Leicester have been on is not too far of a stretch of the imagination.
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1 hour ago, Wignall12 said:
New Centre Half ? ......is he German perchance ?
Thought he was Newcastle's goalie... Karl Darl(ow)ek?
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Makes you wonder if this legal principle is what the Cub keep making references to actions being 'unlwafull'? They used the term consistently in their statements.