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2 minutes ago, derby8 said:

We could prob survive a 15 point deduction if it came to it.

Better than going out of business.

Could we? Who will sign on for that? If we had this team already tied down on contracts, maybe...but I sense a long long road ahead if we start -15

8 minutes ago, inter politics said:

The two big questions with Ashley is will he pay enough to the creditors to avoid the points deduction and would Rooney stay?

If he was willing he would have done it already. He had the funds to save the club months ago... I don't see Rooney and co sticking round for -15. Done that crap once, no need again. 

16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Who are you describing there, it could be most owners? Edit: including CK having selfies taken down the local pub! ?

It could. Though Mel was like the ideal fantasy, a genuine fan with  money buying the club. A local ambitious owner. Incredibly rare in the modern game.

I think a large part of the anger is a feeling of betrayal, a disbelief that a fellow fan could do this much damage. Which also comes with people willing to still defend him because he is a fan. Hoodwinked.

11 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

I’m constantly amazed at the number of posters who make bold and often derogatory statements about MM as though they are factual. We can make assumptions about his thinking on the stadium and MA, based on what little we actually know but that’s all they are - assumptions. The only real fact is that we just don’t know. In my work, I’d be very wary of passing assumptions of as facts. Yes the various stories behind MM’s machinations could  be true but who knows. The old saying often trotted out in training courses is that “to assume makes an ass out of u and me”. 

Is it really an assumption to say he has it in his power to fix it? Whatever way I try to look it, the man is beyond defensible. You only have to look at the people he was trying to flog the club to before admin to know he had bailed.

He sat back and let the fans pay off the charity debts he owed! The mental health, the jobs, the wellbeing of so many hangs on what Mel can do and for whatever reason he isn't doing it.

Going to take an incredibly embellished yarn for me to believe any excuse for allowing this all to happen.

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Q have said Mel has already stated his price - why shouldn't CK lease the stadium from him?

In that case Mel still has some form of hold on the club. He has had months to do the right thing and hasn't. Do you honestly believe anyone is going to want to pay Mel's price?

13 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I'm not advocating anything. I'm asking WHY CK is putting the condition he is on him buying the Club. Why do you think he is insisting MM doesn't own PP?

Maybe to actually make something happen. If that condition isn't in place Mel could drag his heels for a long time. Either Mel does the deal or he is left with a stadium and no club to use it.

Del Amitri - Driving With The Brakes On.

Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street

Richie Sambora - Undiscovered Soul

Glen Hansard - This Gift

Iron Maiden - Rime of the Ancient Mariner

Far too difficult to decide.

4 hours ago, Coneheadjohn said:

Really interesting selection that.

I could pick tracks by most of those bands.

I was at work this morning when Faithfully by Journey was playing and I love that track,that or maybe Only the Young.

Ask the Lonely! Would find it hard to choose between Faithfully and Why Can't This Night Go On Forever. 

43 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

If Andy didnt claim to be ITK and wasnt controversial no one would read his Tweets, I wonder if attention seeking is perhaps his motivation. I conceed that there is a lot we dont know about CK and his  aproach is some what different but he does have Gary Cook with him and I also find that encouraging, why would Gary Cook  associate himself with CK, if CK didnt have the funds to buy the club. 

I don't think Andy liked being called out and didn’t expect CK to respond to his crap. Looking for things that aren't there in a desperate bid to prove he knows something. None of it is of course remotely helpful right now.

The standard of refereeing has been rubbish for the most part, not just Derby. The problem for us is that there is so much hanging on these decisions. Goals aren't easy to come by and when you are down at the bottom it does all seem to go against you. Most of our matches are decided by a goal. 

That said, do we really do enough away from home? Can we with the players we have? I hate to think all our efforts are fizzing out but it was always my main concern, once escape was a genuine possibility, did we have enough in the tank to see it through? The fact it is still possible with 5 to go is impressive enough.

Mel Morris looked like the ideal owner for so many fans. Local, supporter and enough funds to do the job. He talked of great ambitions, numbers of academy players and so. But all he did was screw us over.

Once you get bitten by what you perceive to be the dream, anything else, especially one who hasn't done himself any public favours, is met with suitable caution.

All well and good sat here saying you would have preferred Ashley or Appleby, but if they wanted it enough it would be theirs.

Any new owner is a risk, but if the alternative is liquidation, we have no choice but to get on and support him. Much like we did with Rooney at the start of this season. 

38 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

 However, I hope the EFL show some common sense and allow us to enter contract discussions with players currently at the club before the end of May, if things look to be completed soon.

That is a big ask.  Perhaps once relegation is confirmed they might feel we can be treated fairly again.

20 minutes ago, David said:

He holds the belief that I was paid off to protect Mel.

These are accusations I have defended privately, yet they are going public now and when forum members may see it I just felt I need to reply.

This situation is hurting me more than anyone, I am also owed a lot of money ahead of the wedding as well and it's just frustrating that some fans are using this as a told you so.

Been on this forum a long time. Never once have I felt that there was any influence on my views from yourself or others here. I find it somewhat disrespectful to even imply such a thing.

You have acted on good faith and been severely let down, we as a fan base need to stick together not try and score cheap points. 

12 minutes ago, Curtains said:

David no way should you be getting any blame .

Ridiculous 

It may not be a popular view but I think it is somewhat lazy to purely blame Mel. I think he had most hoodwinked and the situation he leaves us in is unforgivable. Yet, we have the EFL who have sought to make an example of us rather than protect/support. If they had done their job properly in the first place this all could have been avoided. If they had admitted mistakes rather than pursue us to save face, it could have been avoided. Then we have the vendettas of other club owners. 

Are Quantuma actually doing anything? They have not been honest with Rooney and they sure like bigging things up only to miss deadlines.

Finally, the prospective owners. What kind of message does it send if you are willing to let the club start next season on -15 and 5 players, just to save a few quid?

As far as I am concerned, every single one of these pieces has let the fans, the staff and the players down. And all of us have zero idea what is happening and what will happen. It feels like all that fan pressure has faded away, the hopes on the pitch rapidly fading.

It is rather depressing that following a sport should be decided by men in suits trying to save money and face.

10 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I’m going to pop my head above the parapet and say I do lay some blame for Joinersgate at Morris’ door, did at the time and do now. Also for how the fallout was handled.

I remember thinking how it wasn’t the way I wanted the club to be perceived publicly when all the videos came out of them all hammered in the toilets etc, and how it was inherently linked to the culture Morris had allowed to grow within the club on the back of the Lampard season. Don’t get me wrong, I was naively loving the Lampard season at the time of it all, and I know the Joiners incident was under Cocu, but it just felt like a hangover (poor pun) from what had happened the season before with the sort of rowdy, party vibe, and it set alarm bells ringing for me as it seemed very at odds with Cocu’s personal demeanour and what he probably expected of his team. 

However I guess it’s all a moot point, the past is done, can’t change it. Just got to hope for some good news regarding the clubs future this week. 

I feel joiners gate was the product of Mel creating a culture where players failed to take responsibility. Too many people having an easy time of it. Was my concern at least 5 years ago. 

Anyway, I feel the players and the staff need a boost, some positive news before our next game could be the spark. Too much emotional baggage and we need to lighten the load. 

4 minutes ago, Ken Tram said:

What is the estimated difference in price between an exit from administration with a 15 point deduction, and with a zero point deduction?

It is not obvious to me that a buyer would obviously avoid the 15 point deduction.

Firstly, they may take a long term view.

Secondly, they would have £x million saved up that they could spend.

I just can't see the logic in taking on the -15.  It would be starting with a new squad of whatever we can fudge together and operating under an agreed business plan. Would Rooney even stick by to suffer this crap again? I could see it being a disaster.

I fear the best chance we had was December. That would have given us the chance to maybe bring in some frees, extend contracts and make staying up a bit easier. Gibson put an end to that. Who knows what the problem is now.

10 minutes ago, davenportram said:

The 15 point deduction would be next season so I hope they don’t think we’ll be relegated and then have to overturn 15 pts in league 1 with no squad because the business plan we’d have to follow (approval from EFL for signings ) would mean we couldn’t afford to renew contracts

Guess we will just follow the path Bolton did.

1 minute ago, StrawHillRam said:

The end of days

When Arnie calls the Devil a choirboy...

8 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Yeah, it was "the deal" rather than"the player" that was deserving of the criticism.

Making a club record signing "because you heard he could be available" without any further consideration after panicking over 2 injuries to Hughes and Bryson.

I liked Brad, he had some certain qualities that are good in the championship. One of my odd observations was I thought he was a case of reading and understanding that game quite well despite his limited skill (when the championship is full of players with good skills but zero football brain).

I also think he had an ability to make things happen, a bit of a maverick. I just think the club and most fans had wildly different expectations of the exact player he was. He was immense in our unbeaten run under Mac2 and his return was vital under Lampard, having wrongly been hung out to dry. I would have kept him, if the wages were vastly reduced!

Just now, Carl Sagan said:

Ref doesn't add on any extra whatsoever for Millwall's outrageous timewasting. He chickened out at the end. Why didn't he give the pen?

Didn't even add on for the pitch invader...

7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

That's right. The only bit they didn't understand was with the final year, with them stating soemthing along the lines of believing non-zero values were used at the end of the contract.

I still find this hard to believe when within hours of the club being charged, I was giving examples of how our policy worked with zero residual value at the end of the contract.

Did they want to understand is the real question.

1 hour ago, 24Charlie said:

Hasn’t everyone had enough of being furious?

Surely it’s time to move on. No one is going to sue the EFL so people will not get satisfaction. It’s not going to happen and we are just going to look like a bunch of mard-arses in the eyes of the football world.

The recommendations of the fan led review regarding the EFL may or may not be implemented but that decision won’t be influenced by fans as we’ve already had our say.

The prospective buyers have been written to, the task on the pitch has become clearer and it looks extremely likely that DCFC will continue to exist so stop being furious and rejoice that we will go on.

The best screw you to the EFL is that we stay up. But I don't think we should simply let the EFL slink off just because we survive. We could be stuck with those clowns for a while longer. The amount of mental anguish their ineptitude has caused to many fans is simply unforgivable. They have had us over a barrel for getting on 3 seasons, our survival needs to be their demise.

1 minute ago, kevinhectoring said:

But the disappointing thing is the gap that has opened up above Reading. Means that things are tough for us if they turn things around after their Jan window 

There still could be a team to have a collapse.

Gibson reminds me of one of those insanely wealthy trophy hunters. Can't actually hunt a wild beast in it's own environment so goes to shoot an already lame beast in an enclosure just to massage his own ego.

If he truly didn't wish the club fold, he would pull back his claim and wait until we were fit to fight it fairly. The fact he hasn't tells me two things. He has no care for the future of the club. He also knows when tested in court, his case will collapse. If he does drop his claim at 2 mins to midnight then it proves what an odious creature he is.

5 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Mel destroyed us. They just put the nails in the coffin. 

He did. But the efl could have stopped this long before it got serious. I hold them all to the same account. Spineless weasels. Insert many swear words between those words.