NottsRam77 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: Rubbish. Plenty of managers would get more out of the whole squad including the strikers. b******* go on then .. lets say as some want .. steve mclaren a guy whos success was built upon having a cf who could get hold of the ball and bing others into play.. martin.. viduka etc etc if u rolled the ball to collins from 5 yards hed mis control it 8/10 times . While he leads our line we dont have a chance Edited October 21, 2023 by NottsRam77 valakari and Steve How Hard? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 What were the actual tactics today then because the manager just said that we played well as did the opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Derbados said: I agree in all but strikers, our strike force is pathetic this season Agree, is nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to be top two. Collins tries but achieves very little. Washington has been as underwhelming as expected waghorn I guess is our other option. Been ok, feels like warne stumbled upon him rather than recruited him though. John Jules was a gamble that isn’t looking like paying off currently. Be interesting to see him when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, NottsRam77 said: b******* go on then .. lets say as some want .. steve mclaren a guy whos success was built upon having a cf who could get hold of the ball and bing others into play if u rolled the ball to collins from 5 yards hed mis control it 8/10 times . While he leads our line we dont have a chance I disagree. Steve Mac came in, assessed the squad, and built a system around the players we had. Once we started playing to our strengths, we rocketed up the table. I do agree we had no plan b at times, but I still think that fitting the system around the players you have is the way to succeed in football. Very, very few managers will have the luxury of having a squad of hand picked players, bought for their own system. There's no shame in failing as a manager at a club. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or bad manager. Clough failed at Leeds. Sometimes it just doesn't work. BPV, Nishfan, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 As much as I think those videod shouting abuse contemptuous bellends, can I disagree with what they're saying? Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: b******* go on then .. lets say as some want .. steve mclaren a guy whos success was built upon having a cf who could get hold of the ball and bing others into play.. martin.. viduka etc etc if u rolled the ball to collins from 5 yards hed mis control it 8/10 times . While he leads our line we dont have a chance I don't think you can chalk all of our issues up to one position and absolve the manager of all blame. If Warne knows that is a weakness then he needs to adapt the way we play to mitigate it. Is he doing that? It's not like we are playing well in all other departments and we are only missing one piece of the jigsaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: who knows about top 2 but I dont think anyone can deny that the squad is better than where we are currently Definitely. Really liking the idea of bringing John eustace in. Did a great job at Birmingham. Wsm-ram, BPV, ROKERITE and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: b******* go on then .. lets say as some want .. steve mclaren a guy whos success was built upon having a cf who could get hold of the ball and bing others into play.. martin.. viduka etc etc if u rolled the ball to collins from 5 yards hed mis control it 8/10 times . While he leads our line we dont have a chance Collins looks piss poor because he’s being asked to just run around chasing lost causes and trying to get on the end of crap service. He’s not the best striker in the division but with the supporting acts we’ve got he should be a solid contributor. Let’s say Mac came in. He’d have the team actually passing to each other and moving in a way that creates openings. He’d probably start Waghorn because Waghorn is better at bringing others into play than Collins but Mac managed to get Sammon on the score sheet for some important goals and found a role for him late on in games… RoyMac5, LeedsCityRam, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Burton above us at this point in the season 😂 Rev and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, oodledoodle said: I disagree. Steve Mac came in, assessed the squad, and built a system around the players we had. Once we started playing to our strengths, we rocketed up the table. I do agree we had no plan b at times, but I still think that fitting the system around the players you have is the way to succeed in football. Very, very few managers will have the luxury of having a squad of hand picked players, bought for their own system. There's no shame in failing as a manager at a club. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or bad manager. Clough failed at Leeds. Sometimes it just doesn't work. He walked into a hugely talented young squad…. Made some lovely tweaks and hats off but u cant compare what mclaren took on and what warne took on .. literally night and day squad ability wise chris martin vs james collins for starters martin was the perfect centre forward for mclaren .. collins at this moment in his career is the perfect forward for mid table or below Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Rich3478 said: Washington has been as underwhelming as expected Aye. I've asked before but what does he do? What are his attributes? How do they got in with anything Warne says he wants us to do? Why was he so keen to bring him in? To prioritise a portion of our budget on a player he doesn't even seem to know how to use? We / he can't complain about not being able to afford a better striker when we've wasted resources on this turkey vonwright, jimtastic56, BPV and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, angieram said: I don't disagree with you. Should be set up differently but we never are. Just makes the opposition defenders look great as they head out all the high crosses. Pointless. Just like Derby. But we keep doing it. Are we not learning? With the amount of repeated mistakes we've had this season it feels like we're not even watching the games back. We've tried lumping it long to 3 different strikers this season and I can't think of a single game where it has been effective. Yet teams that play that style against us like today always seem to find space with strikers that are usually no bigger than Collins or no quicker than Washington. It feels as a squad we've regressed in technical ability which begs the question what on earth are they doing in training. Either I'm overrating the ability of these players or there's something seriously wrong with how they're being coached. LeedsCityRam, norwichram, Miggins and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathcairns Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: Thats not nice to watch. angieram, LeedsCityRam, Miggins and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, NottsRam77 said: He walked into a hugely talented young squad…. Made some lovely tweaks and hats off but u cant compare what mclaren took on and what warne took on .. literally night and day squad ability wise chris martin vs james collins for starters martin was the perfect centre forward for mclaren .. collins at this moment in his career is the perfect forward for mid table or below Oh absolutely, Mac's squad was unbelievable. I still think we'd get more out of this squad by encouraging them to play football a bit. Imagine having someone like Hourihane and still not trying to set up as a passing side. I'm not in any way trying to say the team are anywhere near Mac's, just that we need to exploit what we're good at. Rather than trying to force a style of play we clearly aren't ever going to succeed with. NottsRam77 and norwichram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Shrewsbury were better than us Which is quite sad when they earn less than £6m as a club, whislt our budget is almost double that. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 It was obvious within 20 minutes that we needed to switch from 433 to 4231. He has the tactical awareness of a turnip. SirBrian and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 We missed chances, the ref had a shocker, but we got utterly outplayed and over-run first half. Second half they had the better chances and dealt with whatever we had to offer despite the territorial advantage. Not remotely good enough. Two weeks to up the standards as per the stated requirement from the manager, and we get that let down. I don't see where we go from here. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: b******* go on then .. lets say as some want .. steve mclaren a guy whos success was built upon having a cf who could get hold of the ball and bing others into play.. martin.. viduka etc etc if u rolled the ball to collins from 5 yards hed mis control it 8/10 times . While he leads our line we dont have a chance In the first half a good chunk of our admittedly limited forward play came from Collins interchanging with Bird and a few others around him. The problem today wasn't Collins miscontrolling the ball, it was the absence of any shape and play in midfield other than a few brief moments. If any manager can improve the structure of the team we'll immediately look better, it's far too chaotic at the moment. norwichram, LeedsCityRam and Walkley Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: He walked into a hugely talented young squad…. Made some lovely tweaks and hats off but u cant compare what mclaren took on and what warne took on .. literally night and day squad ability wise chris martin vs james collins for starters martin was the perfect centre forward for mclaren .. collins at this moment in his career is the perfect forward for mid table or below Warne has had two transfer windows so you can't totally absolve him of any blame for the state of the squad. You also can't absolve him of the blame for our performances because one position is weak. Warne's job is to take the players he has got and extract the best performances out of them. If that means changing tactics to cover any deficiencies then that's what he should be doing. Is he doing that, or is he trying to force ways of playing on the squad that have now repeatedly been shown to not suit them? Edited October 21, 2023 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Walkley Ram, LeedsCityRam and Miggins 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, lrm14 said: In the first half a good chunk of our admittedly limited forward play came from Collins interchanging with Bird and a few others around him. The problem today wasn't Collins miscontrolling the ball, it was the absence of any shape and play in midfield other than a few brief moments. If any manager can improve the structure of the team we'll immediately look better, it's far too chaotic at the moment. Totally agree. I've seen dogs chasing squirrels in the park with better shape than we have in midfield. Rev and lrm14 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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