Paul Warne appointed as Head Coach

[RoyMac5]

12 minutes ago, Andrew1 said:

My lad hates Warne’s approach, he thinks it is hoofball.  I have to admit it’s not the best from an entertainment point of view. But For me it is the way to go in this league, we need to win to get out, and if that means winning ugly so be it.

What does he think of Didzy then? I really don't get this 'entertainment' rubbish. It's led by 'neutral' media if you ask me. When I watch us I want to see us win. To beat football teams in your league you have to be either exceptionally lucky or better than them!

Fozzy was immense at times yesterday, why wouldn't you pay to watch him and Cashin rule the pitch? With a better striker or better ref we'd have easily won yesterday.

[Jimbo Ram]

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

What does he think of Didzy then? I really don't get this 'entertainment' rubbish. It's led by 'neutral' media if you ask me. When I watch us I want to see us win. To beat football teams in your league you have to be either exceptionally lucky or better than them!

Fozzy was immense at times yesterday, why wouldn't you pay to watch him and Cashin rule the pitch? With a better striker or better ref we'd have easily won yesterday.

Draw was about right Macca. They were the better side first half, us second.

[StarterForTen]

Warne's first match was against Cambridge, going in to which the team were seventh in the table, level on points with Barnsley in sixth, and earning an average of 1.55 points per game.

Warne's next match is against Cambridge, going in to which the team are sixth in the table, level on points with Wycombe in seventh, and earning an average of 1.59 points per game.

Statistically, there is very little difference between the Warne and pre-Warne league fixtures this season.

[Ram-Alf]

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

 

All I ever wanted the players to do was to use their common sense and recognise that it was too risky when the opposition was pressing us high. If Warne has decided that they're not capable of doing that, I'm fine with us abandoning that tactic in this league. 

Most players have that in bucket loads, Unfortunately when your manager Tells you this is how we're going to play from the back...you do as requested, The opposition knew how we played...set there forwards up to harass the defence/keeper when playing out from the back...it then causes concern/panic with the end product being the ball in our net at times, This League is worse than the Championship, You're not allowed to settle.

Already there's mutterings with the Hull supporters about how they play, What the supporters see and what the supporters like can/will have a negative impact on the manager...ask the ex Norwich boss Dean Smith

[Crewton]

1 minute ago, The Last Post said:

Most players have that in bucket loads, Unfortunately when your manager Tells you this is how we're going to play from the back...you do as requested, The opposition knew how we played...set there forwards up to harass the defence/keeper when playing out from the back...it then causes concern/panic with the end product being the ball in our net at times, This League is worse than the Championship, You're not allowed to settle.

Already there's mutterings with the Hull supporters about how they play, What the supporters see and what the supporters like can/will have a negative impact on the manager...ask the ex Norwich boss Dean Smith

I have my doubts as to whether Rosenior's instructions were as black and white as that, but if a goalkeeper, say, can't work out for himself that playing the ball out to a defender who has an opponent 5 yards away and ready to pounce is a bad idea, the manager certainly needs to rethink his philosophy or improve his communication skills.

[RoyMac5]

21 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Draw was about right Macca. They were the better side first half, us second.

We should have had 3 pennos (at least). Apparently when Warne asked the ref about Barks he said well then he'd have had to given them the other one?! I mean wtf. Awful ref. Plus what penno shout did they have.

Edited December 28, 2022 by RoyMac5

[Ram-Alf]

2 minutes ago, Crewton said:

I have my doubts as to whether Rosenior's instructions were as black and white as that, but if a goalkeeper, say, can't work out for himself that playing the ball out to a defender who has an opponent 5 yards away and ready to pounce is a bad idea, the manager certainly needs to rethink his philosophy or improve his communication skills.

Watching Brentford Vs Spurs the other day...keeper and defenders were playing from the back as if they were doing it from birth, Defenders making room for themselves for the pass, Keeper not afraid to deliver a ball...les than 5 yards from an opponent...the difference is down to intelligence and awareness Prem players Vs League1 players is the difference. 

[ram59]

19 minutes ago, StarterForTen said:

Warne's first match was against Cambridge, going in to which the team were seventh in the table, level on points with Barnsley in sixth, and earning an average of 1.55 points per game.

Warne's next match is against Cambridge, going in to which the team are sixth in the table, level on points with Wycombe in seventh, and earning an average of 1.59 points per game.

Statistically, there is very little difference between the Warne and pre-Warne league fixtures this season.

Statistically, there is a big difference, under LR and WR I had about 5 or 6 heart attacks every game from playing around at the back, now it's down to 0 or 1.

But it's not just LR, it seems to be the modern way, I saw it in the world cup, this midweek alone, at least 3 goals have come direct from messing about at the back in the Premier and Championship. Why oh why are coaches persisting with this madness? Mind you, I love it when the opposition tries it, I find it really entertaining seeing the panic in their defence and seeing if we can score from it.

[Crewton]

9 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

Watching Brentford Vs Spurs the other day...keeper and defenders were playing from the back as if they were doing it from birth, Defenders making room for themselves for the pass, Keeper not afraid to deliver a ball...les than 5 yards from an opponent...the difference is down to intelligence and awareness Prem players Vs League1 players is the difference. 

.....and ability......which is why it was always a risky strategy at L1 level.

[RoyMac5]

14 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

Watching Brentford Vs Spurs the other day...keeper and defenders were playing from the back as if they were doing it from birth, Defenders making room for themselves for the pass, Keeper not afraid to deliver a ball...les than 5 yards from an opponent...the difference is down to intelligence and awareness Prem players Vs League1 players is the difference. 

Bet they wouldn't do it so easily against Liverpool. Playing out from the back looks easy when there's no opposition press. 

Man City got caught out a few times a couple of seasons ago didn't they? It's a passing fad if you ask me. ? ?

Edited December 28, 2022 by RoyMac5

[nottingram]

20 minutes ago, Crewton said:

I have my doubts as to whether Rosenior's instructions were as black and white as that, but if a goalkeeper, say, can't work out for himself that playing the ball out to a defender who has an opponent 5 yards away and ready to pounce is a bad idea, the manager certainly needs to rethink his philosophy or improve his communication skills.

The tricky part is that part of the reason to do it is that you are actively encouraging being pressed.

I don’t mind the way we play now but I am just a bit tired of reading about how passing it out from the back has cost us loads of goals. When I ask for examples the only specific one I’ve got was over a year ago in a game we won.

I dare say there’s some intangible “momentum” but you can say that about anything, I bet we’ve conceded lots of chances or whatever metric people want to use under Warne based on games becoming end to end. Every style has risks.

Anyway. Not really the thread for discussing Rosenior or the way Hull play. Warne doing a decent job and I’m coming round to him. Few too many 0-0’s for my taste but we are at least hard to beat 

[duncanjwitham]

47 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

What does he think of Didzy then? I really don't get this 'entertainment' rubbish. It's led by 'neutral' media if you ask me. When I watch us I want to see us win. To beat football teams in your league you have to be either exceptionally lucky or better than them!

Fozzy was immense at times yesterday, why wouldn't you pay to watch him and Cashin rule the pitch? With a better striker or better ref we'd have easily won yesterday.

The issue for me, is that there seems to be no game plan at all going forward.  We’re just aimlessly forcing the ball forward as quickly as we can, and hoping one of the forwards does something. At the moment McGoldrick is doing enough to win us a few games, and NML has done so at other times, but it’s not a recipe for long term success.  You have to have some kind of plan to win games, and I can’t see what ours is supposed to be at all.  We aren’t getting crosses in for Collins, we aren’t getting wingers isolated and running at a fullback, we aren’t controlling the ball in the middle of the park, we aren’t holding the ball up front, we aren’t really doing anything.  (I’m not saying you have to do all of that, but you have to be trying to do something.)

[RoyMac5]

11 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

The issue for me, is that there seems to be no game plan at all going forward.  We’re just aimlessly forcing the ball forward as quickly as we can, and hoping one of the forwards does something...We aren’t getting crosses in for Collins, we aren’t getting wingers isolated and running at a fullback, we aren’t controlling the ball in the middle of the park, we aren’t holding the ball up front, we aren’t really doing anything.  (I’m not saying you have to do all of that, but you have to be trying to do something.)

We are doing ALL of those except holding the ball up front, although we even do that with Didzy. Collins should have scored the header from in the box. Barks running at them should have won a penalty. Max had a really good 1st half breaking their play up.

We have a plan - get the ball forward and try and score. As opposed to keep possession until you think you've worked an opportunity.

[i-Ram]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We have a plan - get the ball forward and try and score. 

Bloody hell Roy, keep it to yourself mate. If other teams catch on to this we will have to come up with another equally cunning plan.

[RoyMac5]

Just now, i-Ram said:

Bloody hell Roy, keep it to yourself mate. If other teams catch on to this we will have to come up with another equally cunning plan.

Already sorted Fozzy and Cashin cut out passes and crosses and boot it forward! ?

[i-Ram]

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

Already sorted Fozzy and Cashin cut out passes and crosses and boot it forward! ?

You are Paul Warne and I claim my £5.

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, i-Ram said:

You are Paul Warne and I claim my £5.

Sorry I've spent it on a RB! 

[duncanjwitham]

38 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We are doing ALL of those except holding the ball up front, although we even do that with Didzy. Collins should have scored the header from in the box. Barks running at them should have won a penalty. Max had a really good 1st half breaking their play up.

But there’s no structure to it, no organisation, it’s just whatever happens to happen at random.  We aren’t setting out to achieve anything specific. With Collins in the team, we should be putting crosses in all game, that’s basically what he’s there for.  But we don’t, we spend a bunch of time lumping big balls over the top for nobody, a load of time playing balls up to McGoldrick’s head, and so on.  There doesn’t seem to be any thought put into what players are actually good at, and how to get them doing that stuff as often as possible.

44 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We have a plan - get the ball forward and try and score.

Wow, why over-complicate thing so much? Surely “just win the game” will do? ?

[RoyMac5]

31 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

But there’s no structure to it, no organisation, it’s just whatever happens to happen at random.  We aren’t setting out to achieve anything specific. With Collins in the team, we should be putting crosses in all game, that’s basically what he’s there for.  But we don’t, we spend a bunch of time lumping big balls over the top for nobody, a load of time playing balls up to McGoldrick’s head, and so on.  There doesn’t seem to be any thought put into what players are actually good at, and how to get them doing that stuff as often as possible.

The problem and answer to your perceived lack of structure is there. Collins isn't very good in the air. When balls are cleared forward to Didzy he more often than not gets enough on them to control them or cause the defender a problem. Collins doesn't.

We've two wide players who put crosses over or try and get into the box and shoot. We've a deadball specialist in midfield. We've defenders who can head a ball, occasionally a midfielder too (Knighty). The problem isn't no plan, it is the (poor) execution of the plan, some of which is down to the opposition of course.

Yesterday Barks was fouled in the box, Collins was stamped on in the box, NML was literally wrestled to the floor in the box at the back post - no-one was obstructing the view of it. We headed two decent attempts over - one should have been a penalty for the wrestling on Knight. We hit the bar. Away from home against a top 6 team, with Collins and without Didzy, how much more could we do? If Collins was better at holding the ball we might aim for more freekicks up field, but he's not and we don't get many for Hourihane/Sibs/NML etc.

Edit: that is FOUR decent penalty shouts, we didn't get one of them.

Edited December 28, 2022 by RoyMac5

[Guest]

3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

What does he think of Didzy then? I really don't get this 'entertainment' rubbish. It's led by 'neutral' media if you ask me. When I watch us I want to see us win. To beat football teams in your league you have to be either exceptionally lucky or better than them!

Fozzy was immense at times yesterday, why wouldn't you pay to watch him and Cashin rule the pitch? With a better striker or better ref we'd have easily won yesterday.

He loves didzy to the extent that he has him on the back of his replica shirt.  He is only 14 so I do take what he says with a pinch of salt, he is like Kevin the teenager and knows everything about everything  ?

i don’t find the current style as entertaining as we have been whilst still winning games, but like I said I am willing to forgo that to get wins - thus the “win ugly” comment.  But I do go to football to be entertained if at all possible (not sure why you find the concept of “entertainment” rubbish?) And yes I do pay to watch them and always will as a season ticket holder…good bad or ugly.

I would like say to suggest that I am led by “neutral media” is somewhat patronising, like I am some brainless moron.  So thanks for that.

As a matter of note I was happy enough with the result yesterday, a valuable away point at a decent rival…