DCFC27 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: I’m talking about DCFC’s “Covid-19 Supporters Code of Conduct”: 5. Supporters are advised to wear a face mask, face covering or face visor within the concourse, toilets and walking to their seats. If that is no longer advised by the club, then they need to update their terms & conditions, so we all know what is expected of us? At the very least, change the wording to something that suggests it is merely their preference? (If indeed that is the case?) Totally agree that it’s down to each individual to decide whether to attend or not. Not sure that’s even an issue, as I’m not aware of anyone attending against their will? I think the word “advised” is the key point. You can choose to act on their advice or not, making it a preference. I think if you look under flares etc it will be fans are prohibited from entry with a flares. My point is more, if you were worried about covid I don’t think people wearing a mask in the concourse would make them feel safer overall, as your about to stand in close proximity with a large group of people anyway. Making the whole mask in concourse debate trivial. There really is no point. In society I genuinely feel masks will be here to stay in some settings- eg crowded public transport Hospitals doctors City centre supermarkets football stadiums… 90 minutes in close proximity to 10-20 people sat around you isn’t going to be ofset by a 2 minute walk to your seat through the concourse. - unless of course you sit the whole game with it on. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, DCFC27 said: I think the word “advised” is the key point. You can choose to act on their advice or not, making it a preference. I think if you look under flares etc it will be fans are prohibited from entry with a flares. My point is more, if you were worried about covid I don’t think people wearing a mask in the concourse would make them feel safer overall, as your about to stand in close proximity with a large group of people anyway. Making the whole mask in concourse debate trivial. There really is no point. In society I genuinely feel masks will be here to stay in some settings- eg crowded public transport Hospitals doctors City centre supermarkets football stadiums… 90 minutes in close proximity to 10-20 people sat around you isn’t going to be ofset by a 2 minute walk to your seat through the concourse. - unless of course you sit the whole game with it on. I agree the word “advised” is the key point. They can state little more, under the current circumstances. Similar to the country pub I entered last night. Nobody else in there acted on the advertised advice/request, other than staff. (There were 4 people waiting to be served/being served at the bar, and six sat at tables). I took mine off as I approached the bar, with enough volume to my comment “Oh, not bothering then?” It drew attention, and no doubt derision once I’d ordered and headed back out to the garden. Very few appear to be heeding said advice/requests… which is of course their prerogative. As I understand it (rightly or wrongly?) my mask is more to protect others than myself? I’m now getting to the stage where the protection of others is becoming less important to me, and less of a consideration, as each day passes. That last statement alone saddens me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Quote There has been no evidence that recent major events including the TRNSMT festival have sparked a spike in Covid cases, the national clinical director has said. Prof Leitch said he had been helping to prepare advice for Scottish government ministers on the introduction of vaccine passports. He said it was "up to politicians what they did with the information" but that "vaccinated crowds are safer than unvaccinated crowds". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58581828 As I said before but I think it was 'hidden' I'd rather fans were double-jabbed for safety. Edited September 16, 2021 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 If I was significantly immuno suppressed I wouldn't be going to matches tbh just because of the issues in the concourse and the general colds etc. that people have but still go to matches. However, most people are now double jabbed so if you're not immuno suppressed there's little reason not to be going to matches. for me. If you've been double jabbed and you're out in the open air then the risk of transmission at least in seating is going to be substantially smaller than in many other venues such as pubs, clubs etc. I personally don't wear a mask as they're quite uncomfortable and make it feel like it's tricky to breathe after it's been on for more than a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 15/09/2021 at 22:07, Gritstone Ram said: I noticed that in the bogs the markings on the floor the left foot is on the right and right on the left. I reckon they’re either poor design or seconds. They bought a job lot cheap from New Zealand, who didn't need them. As water runs the opposite way down the plughole there, so their feet work the opposite way round. Glad to clear that up. archram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 14/09/2021 at 23:56, rammieib said: There are those who are just getting on with life, and those who are still scared to venture out. Not a criticism, that's what the media has done but no way will we ever see a mask at a football game again. Personally, I put mine on before I enter the stadium, keep it on throughout the match and only take it off when I'm clear of the crowds back outside the ground. There are very few other supporters who do likewise but I wouldn't be going at all otherwise as I'm in the second most clinically vulnerable group. It's not necessarily about preventing getting COVID altogether (which with the Delta variant now predominant is pretty unlikely unfortunately), it's about reducing your viral load (and therefore the risk of serious illness) if you do get infected. There are over four times as many people in hospital with COVID now as there were this time last year and we all know what happened last winter. It's either take relatively painless precautions like wearing a mask now or accept the inevitability of yet another lockdown this winter which will potentially mean going back to watching matches on RamsTV instead of at Pride Park. archram, ariotofmyown and atherstoneram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rev said: They bought a job lot cheap from New Zealand, who didn't need them. As water runs the opposite way down the plughole there, so their feet work the opposite way round. Glad to clear that up. And here's me thinking it's because people like to play twister in the bogs Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: And here's me thinking it's because people like to play twister in the bogs Only in Markeaton Park. Allegedly. atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rev said: They bought a job lot cheap from New Zealand, who didn't need them. As water runs the opposite way down the plughole there, so their feet work the opposite way round. Glad to clear that up. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Red Ram said: Personally, I put mine on before I enter the stadium, keep it on throughout the match and only take it off when I'm clear of the crowds back outside the ground. There are very few other supporters who do likewise but I wouldn't be going at all otherwise as I'm in the second most clinically vulnerable group. It's not necessarily about preventing getting COVID altogether (which with the Delta variant now predominant is pretty unlikely unfortunately), it's about reducing your viral load (and therefore the risk of serious illness) if you do get infected. There are over four times as many people in hospital with COVID now as there were this time last year and we all know what happened last winter. It's either take relatively painless precautions like wearing a mask now or accept the inevitability of yet another lockdown this winter which will potentially mean going back to watching matches on RamsTV instead of at Pride Park. Well for me thousands of people dont brother not just at pp but all other grounds dont brother wearing them perhaps 2 or 3 people at the most do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Well for me thousands of people dont brother not just at pp but all other grounds dont brother wearing them perhaps 2 or 3 people at the most do. Yes that's what I said myself B4 - hardly anyone does. But you've been more vocal than anyone about not being able to go to matches. SAGE are saying we either take light measures now, which include wearing masks in public spaces, or risk another extended Lockdown which could well mean no supporters at matches again. There's a quote that's misattributed to Einstein - "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". I'm just suggesting maybe we shouldn't do that for a third time but I'm pretty sure we will. atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red Ram said: Yes that's what I said myself B4 - hardly anyone does. But you've been more vocal than anyone about not being able to go to matches. SAGE are saying we either take light measures now, which include wearing masks in public spaces, or risk another extended Lockdown which could well mean no supporters at matches again. There's a quote that's misattributed to Einstein - "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". I'm just suggesting maybe we shouldn't do that for a third time but I'm pretty sure we will. Well borris says there wont be another lockdown so people are calling there bluff now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, B4ev6is said: Well borris says there wont be another lockdown so people are calling there bluff now. Boris has said a lot of things then back tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Well borris says there wont be another lockdown so people are calling there bluff now. He said there won't be any tax hikes too. Think about that next year when you're paying more NI contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Well uk can not afford another lockdown pound shop is closing down and so is farm foods by birds is going also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 16 hours ago, DCFC27 said: I think the word “advised” is the key point. You can choose to act on their advice or not, making it a preference. I think if you look under flares etc it will be fans are prohibited from entry with a flares. My point is more, if you were worried about covid I don’t think people wearing a mask in the concourse would make them feel safer overall, as your about to stand in close proximity with a large group of people anyway. Making the whole mask in concourse debate trivial. There really is no point. In society I genuinely feel masks will be here to stay in some settings- eg crowded public transport Hospitals doctors City centre supermarkets football stadiums… 90 minutes in close proximity to 10-20 people sat around you isn’t going to be ofset by a 2 minute walk to your seat through the concourse. - unless of course you sit the whole game with it on. Nobody wears them in shops anymore at all I notice that more and more now so football stadiums no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: He said there won't be any tax hikes too. Think about that next year when you're paying more NI contributions. Quite happy to too in the circumstances. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loslobos Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Masks don't have any material affect and the inference seems to be that the covid situation is worsening. Cases are plummeting currently. It's the publics duty to push back against unevidenced rules. This is akin to the scotch egg with a pint rule, it does nothing other than make us question legitimate rules. Archied and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, cjdlog said: Masks don't have any material affect and the inference seems to be that the covid situation is worsening. Cases are plummeting currently. It's the publics duty to push back against unevidenced rules. This is akin to the scotch egg with a pint rule, it does nothing other than make us question legitimate rules. We are definitely going to hit 100,000 cases per day, maybe even as high as 200,000, I saw that from Neil Ferguson, the person in charge of modelling. Hospitalisations could reach between 2,000 and 8,000 per day SAGE have advised. So just imagine how many lives wearing your mask in the concourse for 2 minutes is going to save! Carl Sagan and Loslobos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, cjdlog said: Masks don't have any material affect and the inference seems to be that the covid situation is worsening. Cases are plummeting currently. It's the publics duty to push back against unevidenced rules. This is akin to the scotch egg with a pint rule, it does nothing other than make us question legitimate rules. Incoming ? Loslobos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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